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| GoatStarer |
Posted - 13/04/2012 : 19:13:29
don't throw things...they'll get chucked back thrice-fold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuyZeMzJ6q8
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| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 12:35:44
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Originally posted by thedrumcrew
Get lost the lot of you 
Brilliant.  |
| NormanHouse |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 12:15:28
quote:
Originally posted by Felixfefe
Mark Fletcher introduced me to this forum. Introduced me to the drums. Introduced me to the life that I now lead as a professional musician.
It's already been said, that there is a lot to be lost in translation when communicating via text and I think that some people's interpretation of his words, recently and historically have reflected unfairly on Mark.
If you don't happen to like him, or the things he says, for whatever personal reasons you may have, fine.
It is up to you to censor yourself of that which offends your individual sensibility. It shouldn't have to be Mike's job to ban good people on your behalf for fear of being sued whilst trying to be on holiday with his family.
For what its worth, I think censorship is always the wrong choice.
My two pence.
Thanks
It's not. We are not entitled to sling unjustified personal abuse around. In life or in cyberspace. |
| Felixfefe |
Posted - 26/04/2012 : 12:09:25
Mark Fletcher introduced me to this forum. Introduced me to the drums. Introduced me to the life that I now lead as a professional musician.
It's already been said, that there is a lot to be lost in translation when communicating via text and I think that some people's interpretation of his words, recently and historically have reflected unfairly on Mark.
If you don't happen to like him, or the things he says, for whatever personal reasons you may have, fine.
It is up to you to censor yourself of that which offends your individual sensibility.
It shouldn't have to be Mike's job to ban good people on your behalf for fear of being sued whilst trying to be on holiday with his family.
For what its worth, I think censorship is always the wrong choice.
My two pence.
Thanks
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| tuppster |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 22:31:35
I've been away a while - very busy. I'm not bothered about arguments and who said waht to whom, I'd like to say how much I enjoyed Mr Fletcher's playing.
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| Wannabedrummer |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 12:31:12
Where am I? |
| thedrumcrew |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 11:17:38
Get lost the lot of you |
| Wannabedrummer |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 11:12:49
Stakka for PM! |
| kruppers |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 10:53:24
Vote for stakka! |
| MGM |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 00:56:26
quote:
Originally posted by stakka
Don't worry - it is well observed on forums in general that folks who "stomp" off and leave a forum exclaiming as such will usually come back, and more often than not will be keeping an eye on the forum regularly in the interim to see what is said after their departure.
The ones to worry about are the members who just quietly stop coming to the forum without drawing attention to it. there are many many more of these than the more obvious departures and more often than not their reason for slipping away is not liking what they see, being made to feel inadequate or not feeling like they can fit in, or finding that the initial enticing and usually humourous perception of a forum then gives way to a less pleasant feel once certain things are said, whether taken in the correct context or not.
The way to avoid loosing all these valuable "unseen" members...... Just be bloody nice to each other.
^^^^^^^ Absolutely ... |
| stakka |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 22:42:32
Don't worry - it is well observed on forums in general that folks who "stomp" off and leave a forum exclaiming as such will usually come back, and more often than not will be keeping an eye on the forum regularly in the interim to see what is said after their departure.
The ones to worry about are the members who just quietly stop coming to the forum without drawing attention to it. there are many many more of these than the more obvious departures and more often than not their reason for slipping away is not liking what they see, being made to feel inadequate or not feeling like they can fit in, or finding that the initial enticing and usually humourous perception of a forum then gives way to a less pleasant feel once certain things are said, whether taken in the correct context or not.
The way to avoid loosing all these valuable "unseen" members...... Just be bloody nice to each other. |
| Brigham |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 21:37:02
quote:
Originally posted by NormanHouse
quote:
Originally posted by Brigham
As a person who works extremely hard at being a dedicated non-drummer (i.e. can't play the blessed things but know quite a lot about them), and being a member of this forum for around 7-8 years, I find this whole sorry mess very, very sad.
I think MD has handled it correctly and with courage. It's not a mess - the terms and conditions are there for all to see and we will not have seen everything that the moderators have seen so it seems churlish to try and secondguess what has been happening in the background.It's political correctness gone sane.
I didn't realise that people could be banned. I did find myself looking at the T&C's recently to see what course of action might be open to me following an abusive response to a perfectly honest and accurate post of mine. I don't object to leaders, politicians, celebs who never read this forum coming in for flak but abuse towards known readers or members is unreasonable and should be dealt with.
You miss my point completely.
In no way am I taking sides but I completely agree that MD did the right thing. After all, it's his forum.
I was trying to elucidate that the whole episode is very sad. Sad that a great, well respected and successful drummer has to stoop so low on a public forum. Sad that an equally great and respected drummer should make such crass comments about fellow drummers and, more importantly, sad that this whole debarcle has tainted what is the worlds best drummers forum.
Without this forum and the people on it (including Fletch and Ted), Briglet and I would still be clueless as to all things drumming.
I've not met Fletch so can't comment. However, I have met both Ted and Josh and both are passionate about their art. Ted, in particular, is very passionate about all things drum related. I am sure he'll be back once the dust settles.
Never met Mary but I'm sad that she feels the need to go. I suspect she doesn't know what has happened in the past. Again, one hopes she returns once the dust has settled.
I have no axe to grind with anyone. Fletch has been helpful to Briglet and I on more than one occasion. Ted was a gent at both Coventry get togethers (as was Josh)
I should also point out that I met MD at the Cov bash too (and Drummer Live). Not that it's really relevant, but I've had the opportunity to see them face to face and make my own mind up. I also met Jakester who i thought was a top bloke; not at all like he appeared on the forum at times.
For the sake of balance, I also met the legendary Jeff and, yes, he was as much of a twonk as he was on here!
Sad. Very sad indeed.
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| NormanHouse |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 14:03:38
quote:
Originally posted by Brigham
As a person who works extremely hard at being a dedicated non-drummer (i.e. can't play the blessed things but know quite a lot about them), and being a member of this forum for around 7-8 years, I find this whole sorry mess very, very sad.
I think MD has handled it correctly and with courage. It's not a mess - the terms and conditions are there for all to see and we will not have seen everything that the moderators have seen so it seems churlish to try and secondguess what has been happening in the background.It's political correctness gone sane.
I didn't realise that people could be banned. I did find myself looking at the T&C's recently to see what course of action might be open to me following an abusive response to a perfectly honest and accurate post of mine. I don't object to leaders, politicians, celebs who never read this forum coming in for flak but abuse towards known readers or members is unreasonable and should be dealt with. |
| Brigham |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 13:33:05
As a person who works extremely hard at being a dedicated non-drummer (i.e. can't play the blessed things but know quite a lot about them), and being a member of this forum for around 7-8 years, I find this whole sorry mess very, very sad.
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| Casthoop |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 11:51:45
Well said that man!
Ed |
| kruppers |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 10:20:29
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Originally posted by bulbousheed
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Originally posted by monkeythedrummer
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
That is exactly the point I'm making. People come on to forums and say what they want and can do so from the safety of the computer screen. No one has to back it up in the virtual world. Apologies are rare and snarky trolling is the order of the day. I'm not threatening anyone. The point I'm making is not to say stuff on-line that you wouldn't say to someone's face.
I do see you point about not saying something you wouldn't say to someone's face, but that should be based around the concept of common decency not just because the other guy would hit you in real life.
there we have it - COMMON DECENCY
If more people remembered this when they hide behind their laptops and keyboards then we would'nt get problems on forums such as this.
Amen again. I love the forum and have gained so much from it. I just have an issue with pointless rudeness however delivered. Had a bad day yesterday and should have kept me big gob shut. Apologies again. The point was about not saying stuff rather than hitting anyone but my intent got lost (must engage brain). |
| bulbousheed |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 09:56:23
quote:
Originally posted by monkeythedrummer
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
That is exactly the point I'm making. People come on to forums and say what they want and can do so from the safety of the computer screen. No one has to back it up in the virtual world. Apologies are rare and snarky trolling is the order of the day. I'm not threatening anyone. The point I'm making is not to say stuff on-line that you wouldn't say to someone's face.
I do see you point about not saying something you wouldn't say to someone's face, but that should be based around the concept of common decency not just because the other guy would hit you in real life.
there we have it - COMMON DECENCY
If more people remembered this when they hide behind their laptops and keyboards then we would'nt get problems on forums such as this. |
| beezerk |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 09:50:03
quote:
Originally posted by monkeythedrummer
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
That is exactly the point I'm making. People come on to forums and say what they want and can do so from the safety of the computer screen. No one has to back it up in the virtual world. Apologies are rare and snarky trolling is the order of the day. I'm not threatening anyone. The point I'm making is not to say stuff on-line that you wouldn't say to someone's face.
What the internet does allow people to do is say what they feel without worry of physical retaliation, that is also a good thing.
Or not in some cases. |
| monkeythedrummer |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 09:40:25
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
That is exactly the point I'm making. People come on to forums and say what they want and can do so from the safety of the computer screen. No one has to back it up in the virtual world. Apologies are rare and snarky trolling is the order of the day. I'm not threatening anyone. The point I'm making is not to say stuff on-line that you wouldn't say to someone's face.
I do see you point about not saying something you wouldn't say to someone's face, but that should be based around the concept of common decency not just because the other guy would hit you in real life.
What the internet does allow people to do is say what they feel without worry of physical retaliation, that is also a good thing.
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| kruppers |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 09:10:02
Amen. Have been worried sick about all this all night. Apologies to any one I may have offended in my cack handed way of making a point. Back to drumming, drums and geeking out. |
| Mcmaul |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 22:26:14
I ain't leaving here, Mike, this forum needs characters, not insidious little trolls who think their talent is some kind of shield. Besides, somebody has to offset the white marine pearl brigade with a little bit of dark stuff!! |
| mike dolbear |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 22:14:11
As this topic is being discussed on two separate threads I thought I should post my earlier response that I posted on the off topic thread "yeah I know" in case anybody had missed it.......
I appreciate all of your comments.
This is the final post I am going to make on this as I would like to move on from this unpleasantness and spend my time reading
Interesting and more positive topics.
For the past two weeks I have been away on holiday with my wife and children. While I was away I was first notified via text's and
Emails that the Buddy Rich thread and another thread were getting out of control and that Goatstarer had returned.
A couple of days later not one but two emails arrived from people, upset about two separate forum topics and threatening me
With legal action if I did not remove these threads.
After several emails back and forth, including some very heavy ones, and some legal advice, these have been resolved (for now).
Like I said earlier, this was while I was on holiday with MY FAMILY. Only a handful of people on this forum really know me, but those who do understand how precious and important family time is to me.
I was so upset about this situation that I considered closing the forum, but realised that most of the forum is full of supportive and
like minded people who just want to chat and offer opinions.
I know some of you think that I acted too hastily regarding Goatstarer but this was a preventative measure as I can't risk the
situation escalating out of control as it has done in the past; this action was, as I say, PREVENTATIVE and not based on just the posts
you may have read.
You would be very surprised by the amount and level of drummers that look at this forum and participate from all around the world. Most of the big name drummers you talk about on this forum look at those topics; we are all people with feelings and can be affected by thoughtless or off the cuff comments.
I am sorry that some of you have said that you are going to leave but I am not going to let the minority spoil it for the rest. Other
people have been banned for inappropriate behaviour in the past and I will continue to follow up situations and people who break the
terms and conditions of the forum.
Many thanks |
| Rhythm and Blooze |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 21:57:23
quote:
Originally posted by Th0mas25
quote:
Originally posted by MrNoisy
We can all be nice to each other on this forum .... But I know from past posts that I have put on here that there are some people who just want to have a dig ...No matter what I post.
As for Mark ...He is a really nice guy and a great drummer ....BUT he is also a very self-opinionated drummer ....SO what is wrong with that ?
Nothing in my opinion ....He has worked hard to get where he is and he is in the TOP 10 of BRITISH players ....If he posts things on this forum that HE feels strongly about ...Then that it his opinion and if you don't agree with his opinion then so what ...does that really **** you off to the point that you want him banned ....Sorry I do not go with that.
I agree with what most of what Mark says ....BUT I did say to him that his remarks to Josh was a bit arrogant?
Anyway ...If Mike thinks it is right to bar him from the forum,then I think it is a very bad move ...After all ..Fletch is a GREAT BRITISH drummer with very strong opinions of HIMSELF (I hope your reading this Mark ha feckin Ha ) ...BUT I know he just tells it like he see's it and I for one have to agree with him 99% of the time
Ted, whether Mark's a great drummer or not doesn't come into it. He might be, but that doesn't give him some sort of immunity, or the right to say whatever he wants... he still has to play by the rules here, same as anyone else. Someone mentioned Buddy Rich earlier... and guess what, he'd have to play by the rules too.
Also, so many people in this thread and the off-topic one, are incensed that he's banned for his comments to Josh. Mike has said that's not just it... as well as being generally 'abrasive' (fair enough, he's not the only one), there's been the trolling/winding up (months of zzzzzZZZZZzzzzz in every second thread, yeah that was fun... NOT), there have been ongoing spats with Noonan, and the whole Dunnett debacle (which turned very, VERY ugly!) and I remember having to report Fletch's homepage to Gerry some years ago as I thought it might be an interesting read... and it was shall we say, totally inappropriate! 
That's just the stuff I remember (it's funny how so many here don't... very selective memories  ), and it wouldn't surprise me if there was more that only Mike knows about.
So, by all means defend Mark's playing and defend his right to think what he wants. And by all means tell us that despite being abrasive and arrogant he's actually a nice guy in 'real life'. But don't kid yourself or make yourself look stupid and ignorant by bleating on about how unreasonable it was to ban him just for his comment to Josh, or the people want him banned just because they disagree with his opinions, when YOU know that's not the issue!
I remember those episodes as well, it really did turn unpleasant. |
| Th0mas25 |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 20:39:26
quote:
Originally posted by MrNoisy
We can all be nice to each other on this forum .... But I know from past posts that I have put on here that there are some people who just want to have a dig ...No matter what I post.
As for Mark ...He is a really nice guy and a great drummer ....BUT he is also a very self-opinionated drummer ....SO what is wrong with that ?
Nothing in my opinion ....He has worked hard to get where he is and he is in the TOP 10 of BRITISH players ....If he posts things on this forum that HE feels strongly about ...Then that it his opinion and if you don't agree with his opinion then so what ...does that really **** you off to the point that you want him banned ....Sorry I do not go with that.
I agree with what most of what Mark says ....BUT I did say to him that his remarks to Josh was a bit arrogant?
Anyway ...If Mike thinks it is right to bar him from the forum,then I think it is a very bad move ...After all ..Fletch is a GREAT BRITISH drummer with very strong opinions of HIMSELF (I hope your reading this Mark ha feckin Ha ) ...BUT I know he just tells it like he see's it and I for one have to agree with him 99% of the time
Ted, whether Mark's a great drummer or not doesn't come into it. He might be, but that doesn't give him some sort of immunity, or the right to say whatever he wants... he still has to play by the rules here, same as anyone else. Someone mentioned Buddy Rich earlier... and guess what, he'd have to play by the rules too.
Also, so many people in this thread and the off-topic one, are incensed that he's banned for his comments to Josh. Mike has said that's not just it... as well as being generally 'abrasive' (fair enough, he's not the only one), there's been the trolling/winding up (months of zzzzzZZZZZzzzzz in every second thread, yeah that was fun... NOT), there have been ongoing spats with Noonan, and the whole Dunnett debacle (which turned very, VERY ugly!) and I remember having to report Fletch's homepage to Gerry some years ago as I thought it might be an interesting read... and it was shall we say, totally inappropriate!
That's just the stuff I remember (it's funny how so many here don't... very selective memories ), and it wouldn't surprise me if there was more that only Mike knows about.
So, by all means defend Mark's playing and defend his right to think what he wants. And by all means tell us that despite being abrasive and arrogant he's actually a nice guy in 'real life'. But don't kid yourself or make yourself look stupid and ignorant by bleating on about how unreasonable it was to ban him just for his comment to Josh, or the people want him banned just because they disagree with his opinions, when YOU know that's not the issue! |
| kruppers |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 19:48:51
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
Well if Mr Fletcher wants to come to South London and express his opinion about me to my face, he's welcome. A&E at Kings is very good.
That is exactly the point I'm making. People come on to forums and say what they want and can do so from the safety of the computer screen. No one has to back it up in the virtual world. Apologies are rare and snarky trolling is the order of the day. I'm not threatening anyone. The point I'm making is not to say stuff on-line that you wouldn't say to someone's face.
I worked in the City for 15 years and had a belly full of people thinking they can be rude and don't have to treat people with respect. I despise this stuff whether its face to face or on-line. I treat people with respect face to face or otherwise. i don't see why other people shouldn't do the same. The 'tell it the way it is line' is just another wall to hide behind. Its telling it the way someone sees it and from the safety of the keyboard. As Jack White called it: The Sea of Cowards.
If I could play 10% as well as Fletch, I'd be floating around with wings of joy. And there's the point, we are not talking about that or what a great player he is (and he happens to be a very good mate of one of my muso pals). Instead, this has turned into why he feels he needs to behave like this on line. And I think its appalling. That's how I see it. |
| Casthoop |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 19:28:58
IMHO there have been a lot worse than Fletch on here over the years and some are still here,and they know who they are!!
Ed |
| Pingboy |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 18:35:31
Well done Mike for banning him.
I don't post very often but have been a member of this forum for many years and regularly view it.
This is the guy that flounced off the forum about two years ago because some contributors had the temerity to disagree with him.
He then comes back with a load of clips of him playing expecting everyone to say how wonderful he is, sorry life isn't like that. |
| monkeythedrummer |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 14:58:57
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT....
Oh, what's that? We are not 11 year old school boys.
Sorry, I forgot.
Please guys, leave the macho **** for the gym.
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| Casthoop |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 14:52:21
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
Well if Mr Fletcher wants to come to South London and express his opinion about me to my face, he's welcome. A&E at Kings is very good.
Well at least they wouldnt have far to carry you!!
Ed |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 14:39:09
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
Well if Mr Fletcher wants to come to South London and express his opinion about me to my face, he's welcome. A&E at Kings is very good.
Not cool mate, even if someone did come and express his opinions it is not for you to take the law into your own hands considering you are welcoming him to come and express them
THIS is what should not be tolerated on the forum |
| larold |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 12:30:07
Deep breaths all round I think...
Not wanting to stir anything but it seems the people defending Mark being banned on the strength of voicing an opinion seem to have missed this reply further up the page:
"cheeky phuktard...
someone asked about gear.
maybe i didn't mention curry or noodles, you lost interest about REAL facts.
i forgot ...you know everything!
i've forgotten more than you'll ever learn."
Having a strong, controversial opinion is fine but personal, offensive abuse is not I would say. And "I've forgotten more than you'll ever learn"? I'm sorry but does just make you come across as a bit of an ar5ehole. |
| johncc |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 12:20:48
I was always told that if I was in a situation where I felt unhappy, or uncomfortable, to do something about it. As such, I'm off. Tarra. |
| Parkerdrums |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 12:06:42
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
Well if Mr Fletcher wants to come to South London and express his opinion about me to my face, he's welcome. A&E at Kings is very good.
So Mark gets banned for disagreeing with someone, but Kruppers can make veiled threats of violence and that's ok?
Very poor indeed.
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| kruppers |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:50:40
Well if Mr Fletcher wants to come to South London and express his opinion about me to my face, he's welcome. A&E at Kings is very good. |
| Jeffskowski |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:40:00
quote:
[i]
Or maybe Mark was kicked off before he had a chance to apologise (if he had wanted to). Anyone considered THAT possibility? It was, IMO, all a simple misunderstanding over a comment and it could easily have been resolved. Either way, it doesn't really matter now.
Stephen
Agreed but Mark could ask someone to post a response if that were the case? I am sure he could if he really wanted to but as you say, it's all murky water under the bridge now. |
| mully |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:25:16
quote:
Originally posted by Jeffskowski
I don't think anyone is arguing against Marks right to have an opinion Mr N. Its the little additional digs from Marks end that seem to be grating. I don't know Mark or anyone else on here but I wouldn't like to be called a 'phecker' or talked down to due to me voicing MY opinion or pointing out that he had made a mistake in a post, which, I believe is, what happened with Jamoca.
Whats more disappointing is that Mark could quite easily apologise for causing offence if that was not his intention but the fact that there has been no apology makes it seem as though it was his intention which doesn't paint a pretty picture of the man.
Or maybe Mark was kicked off before he had a chance to apologise (if he had wanted to). Anyone considered THAT possibility? It was, IMO, all a simple misunderstanding over a comment and it could easily have been resolved. Either way, it doesn't really matter now.
Stephen |
| JKDrummerDude |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:09:54
The problem with online forums is that it's all text. There's very little opportunity to add in the context which might make a comment humourous or sarcastic, and therefore all comments are open to interpretation from both the reader and the writer, and there's a lot of readers here - each will interpret it a bit differently. For my part, I interpreted some of the comments here and on other threads as abuse.
Mike says this guy is top five in the country, and I'm happy to accept that. I've met Mike once (I seriously doubt he'll remember though) and his word carries a lot of respect. I personally have never heard of him, and even a quick google search on his name brought back few responses. However, to my mind this is largely irrelevent. Mike's banned him, not just for comments recently, but also for previous 'misinterpretations'. It's a shame, but as comments mentioned before - it's his site, he pays for it, he's the moderator, and he's made the decision. If you don't agree with it, then don't read or post on the forum. All comments here are entirely voluntary.
Opinions are like bums. Everyone has one, and they often smell. |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:07:54
There are always going to be clashes of personality and some people in certain cases can be a little more sensitive than others but this is just due to the fact there is such a variety of people on this forum that things will happen and can be taken out of context
I agree with alot of the comments on here that what was said looks bad but there does not seem to any malice intended, more a strong opinion. Also when something is written in text you can not really get a feel for what that person is trying to convey,
How many arguments have i had with my partner after sending a text message to her that read badly but was never intended that way and after a conversation is finally understood.
However based on the fact that mike has banned the member it must have been a decision that needed to be taken.
Mike does let us away with a lot on this forum, other forums i have been a member of have banned people for the use of bad language and in some cases just making it look like a swear word
In the end there is no winners, mike had to make a hard decision and mark has been banned
Lose, lose IMHO |
| Jeffskowski |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 09:44:58
I don't think anyone is arguing against Marks right to have an opinion Mr N. Its the little additional digs from Marks end that seem to be grating. I don't know Mark or anyone else on here but I wouldn't like to be called a 'phecker' or talked down to due to me voicing MY opinion or pointing out that he had made a mistake in a post, which, I believe is, what happened with Jamoca.
Whats more disappointing is that Mark could quite easily apologise for causing offence if that was not his intention but the fact that there has been no apology makes it seem as though it was his intention which doesn't paint a pretty picture of the man. It's playground 'bully boy' antics truth be told.
If a ban is forthcoming then so be it. It's Mr D's 'House' and we are all just guests here at the end of the day. |
| MrNoisy |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:54:56
We can all be nice to each other on this forum .... But I know from past posts that I have put on here that there are some people who just want to have a dig ...No matter what I post.
As for Mark ...He is a really nice guy and a great drummer ....BUT he is also a very self-opinionated drummer ....SO what is wrong with that ?
Nothing in my opinion ....He has worked hard to get where he is and he is in the TOP 10 of BRITISH players ....If he posts things on this forum that HE feels strongly about ...Then that it his opinion and if you don't agree with his opinion then so what ...does that really **** you off to the point that you want him banned ....Sorry I do not go with that.
I agree with what most of what Mark says ....BUT I did say to him that his remarks to Josh was a bit arrogant?
Anyway ...If Mike thinks it is right to bar him from the forum,then I think it is a very bad move ...After all ..Fletch is a GREAT BRITISH drummer with very strong opinions of HIMSELF (I hope your reading this Mark ha feckin Ha ) ...BUT I know he just tells it like he see's it and I for one have to agree with him 99% of the time |
| MrNoisy |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:40:18
quote:
Originally posted by kruppers
I have a rule about what I say online: I never say anything I wouldnt say face to face. It's easy to call someone a **** when they are not standing in front of you and you realise they are 6'6" and getting really angry. Any idiot can be a troll. Being talented doesnt let you off the hook for being a decent human being.
Trust me Mark dont give a flying feck if the guy is 10ft 6in ...he tells it as he see's it |
| kruppers |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:21:32
I have a rule about what I say online: I never say anything I wouldnt say face to face. It's easy to call someone a **** when they are not standing in front of you and you realise they are 6'6" and getting really angry. Any idiot can be a troll. Being talented doesnt let you off the hook for being a decent human being. |
| sludge |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 19:40:04
There is honesty in saying what you think and then there's how you put it, is there not?!
If someone at work or ones loved one said things as he did i doubt they would be appreciated or last long. One can say even very critical things in a 'nice' manner but still plainly without all the BS like' i've forgotten more than you will ever know' i mean ffs how patronising, high handed and egotistical, feck off. Yes i'm aware of some of the other things that have gone on as well so if you want to be 'mates' off forum best of luck.
If people want to put up with that cr@p in private fine but not on a public forum. |
| Parkerdrums |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 19:16:21
quote:
Originally posted by rytenuff
quote:
Originally posted by Parkerdrums
And I thought variety was the spice of life. I get the impression that Buddy Rich was a pretty colourful/spikey individual. Am I to take it he'd be unwelcome here too?
This comment is specific to your assertion not this thread in general.
If someone came on here and said exactly what Buddy Rich would have said over many posts in a colourful and spikey manner ( a euphamism for rude I suppose) would he be tolerated if he had no talent to speak of?
I ask as your specific mention of Buddy Rich rather than Joseph Bloggs seems to suggest that great talent excuses everything.
I was rather suggesting that Buddy is someone who one would have had on here regardless of whether or not you liked/agreed with him, due in part to talent, part to experience and part to the fact that you'd always get an honest response from him.
Mark also, IMHO.
And silly to expect people to get on or agree all the time. Seems a tad OTT to me and that's my final word on the matter. |
| rytenuff |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:40:04
quote:
Originally posted by Parkerdrums
And I thought variety was the spice of life. I get the impression that Buddy Rich was a pretty colourful/spikey individual. Am I to take it he'd be unwelcome here too?
This comment is specific to your assertion not this thread in general.
If someone came on here and said exactly what Buddy Rich would have said over many posts in a colourful and spikey manner ( a euphamism for rude I suppose) would he be tolerated if he had no talent to speak of?
I ask as your specific mention of Buddy Rich rather than Joseph Bloggs seems to suggest that great talent excuses everything. |
| Parkerdrums |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:33:30
And I can tell you from personal experience that Mark is a very helpful and friendly chap, despite what some of you who haven't met him might say. I often message him for advice on things 'drum' and he's always replied with sage-like tips. He's not under any obligation to do so.
Two sides to every coin methinks.
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| Parkerdrums |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:26:35
And I thought variety was the spice of life. I get the impression that Buddy Rich was a pretty colourful/spikey individual. Am I to take it he'd be unwelcome here too?
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| sludge |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:25:20
I completely agree with Mike btw, many posts seemed to be 'more look at me' than 'helpful' in the expectation of people saying you are brilliant etc. Anyone who didn't follow the line ie diversion or disagreement is met with most unpleasant and unnecessarily abusive/derisive comments; that is not how adults should behave. Ask and explain but not just being maliciously rude. He was extremely rude to Josh, without provocation, someone who always used to stick up for him for whatever reason and PRF commented upon that.
Frankly if this wants to be a place where good drummers can come and behave like spoiled brats and not worry about it because they are good and thus forgiven everything then thats more than a bit sad. IMO no-one is above the law, balls to how talented you are. Come on and be nice/ish and debate but don't act like a petulant kid.
There are plenty of good pros on here who are helpful and nice not to worry about one who is not.
It seems to be the same forgiving attitude that many on here complain about when it comes to footballers and celebs i.e. they do what they like and get away with it because they are good. I can't recall many saying "No its fine they should behave how they want, the rest of us will just ignore it as they are very talented"? |
| Parkerdrums |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:18:10
You're back.....
proving that a good craftsman can make any kit sound a million quid!
Fantastic dynamics, and a solo that has a beginning, middle and end. Something sorely lacking in many people's solos.
KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| simedgoose |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:12:53
http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=106365
Please read what Mike has written at the bottom of this thread. It is not just this particular thread which has caused this to happen.
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| MrNoisy |
Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:02:05
I can't see why mike had to ban Mark .....yea he has very one sided opinions now and again but he is a great player and if he thinks someone is crap then he speaks his mind ...... I have done the same on here many times and I know my opinions on ufo's and conspiracy theories just rub people up the wrong way .....but hey life would be dull if we conformed to one opinion.
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