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| Badman_batman |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 21:36:31
What the best for recording drums and the benefits of condensing over dynamic
As a dj i have always used seinheiser dynamic mic but never really knew the difference
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| sunshinehead |
Posted - 20/04/2012 : 19:13:02
Fair. |
| crafty |
Posted - 20/04/2012 : 14:27:50
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Originally posted by sunshinehead
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Originally posted by dogface
The OP is asking about mics for recording.
I agree, the general rule is condensers for overheads and dynamics for close micing.
Yes, but recording under what conditions? There are many ways to mic and record a drum kit. A 4 channel mixer suggests it will be upstream of a p.a. in a 'live' situation. To me at least.
I took it as a 4 channel mixer for small home set-up recording, like an Alesis or Mackie I/O interface.
Ed |
| sunshinehead |
Posted - 20/04/2012 : 14:09:16
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Originally posted by dogface
The OP is asking about mics for recording.
I agree, the general rule is condensers for overheads and dynamics for close micing.
Yes, but recording under what conditions? There are many ways to mic and record a drum kit. A 4 channel mixer suggests it will be upstream of a p.a. in a 'live' situation. To me at least. |
| dogface |
Posted - 20/04/2012 : 10:25:45
The OP is asking about mics for recording.
I agree, the general rule is condensers for overheads and dynamics for close micing. |
| stakka |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 19:57:52
...... Oh, and if you are intending surrounding yourself with mics for live playing be prepared to watch your language, farting or having conversations with your bass player mocking the audience during the quiet moments - although a good subwoofer can add some real low end welly to even the most feeble of trouser tremblers. |
| MattRaymond |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 19:34:37
This is a huge topic and it depends exactly what you are trying to do.
Generally condenser mics are best and have the most pleasing sound specially in the top range but quite often they do not have an adequate SPL (Sound Pressure Level) to be able to cope with close micing drums and so dynamic mics come in which generally have a much greater SPL. This is why it is rare to see a condenser mic on the snare but they are almost always used as overheads as they sound much better and they don't have to deal with the SPL you get from being very close to a drum. Also sometimes even as overheads you have to put pads on the mic or at the mixer to deal with this so you don't overload the pre amp.
Hope this helps in some way.
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| sunshinehead |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 17:57:38
Sounds like, er.., sound advice.
If you're using a 4 input submixer I'm assuming that you're talking about live mic'ing your kit for gigs, etc. As stated, a couple of condensers and a couple of SM57s will do lovely. You'll be surprised how much of your kit get picked from the condensers. If I'm playing a 'medium' sized gig, which to me would be a club rather than a pub, I would be very happy just to mic the bass drum and snare and let everything else be picked up on the overheads. It is also true that an extraodinary number of these mics turn up in Cash Converters, strange. |
| crafty |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 09:01:13
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Originally posted by Badman_batman
So if i have 4 inputs i should buy 2 condensors for the overhead mics above the drums and 2 dynamics, 1 for the bass drum and one for the snare ?
Basically as i am just learning this
Two dynamics and two condensers. For dynamics, maybe an SM57 and Audix D6 for snare drum an bass drum respectively. SM57s (and 58s) appear regularly in Cash Converter-type shops for around 30 quid, so have a look round. Both work handsomely on snare drums (and bass drums at a push BTW).
For condensers, a matched pair would be best to be used as overheads as well as instrument mics. I played a session recently where we used Octava MK-012s (small condensers) as overheads. Great mics and currently £237 quid for the pair from Thomann.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/oktava_mk_01201_mkiimatched_pair.htm
Alternatively you could go for two large condenser microphones. For home use, I use two SE2200As - £138 quid a pop. Great overheads and splendidly detailed instrument mics.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/se_electronics_se_2200a_limited_edition.htm
Ed
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| Drumheduk |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 08:14:41
+1 try before you buy or be prepared for very expensive mistakes, I've got probably five or six mic's I never use, just not right for application. Best example being a very expensive gooseneck condenser purchased to mic my snare and be less intrusive, always sounds brittle and I'm back to the old faithful sm57. Oh and over £150 poorer. |
| stakka |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 07:58:59
If at all poss you need to try and borrow one of each mic and play around with them. Hook them up to a recording device and compare how they record various sound sources. Condensers are generally good for being positioned further away from the source to capture more of the sound field, but you will also find they can pick up a gnats fart from 100 yards. Dynamics can be a lot friendlier when close mic'ing something.
A very worthwhile book I have found is "Guerrilla Home Recording-How to get great sound from any studio". Although it does not go in to massive depth on the workings of mic's and all the hundreds of makes it is aimed at someone trying to get their heads round the overall recording process and gives just the right amount of information someone like us would want and laid out very neatly, it even splits out each individual instrument and drum giving various ways of mic'ing them and gives some insight in to methods of capturing their best sound. It does also cover a large area of the recording equipment itself and how to add effects and also the final mixing process whether using conventional mixers or a DAW computer set up - but if you are going to start recording then it is good to get a better understanding what happens further down the line and how all the individual aspects of everything involved will contribute to the final sound - but without turning your brain inside out. Waterstones bookshop sells it so go and have a sneaky browse next time you are in town. |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 19/04/2012 : 00:11:18
So if i have 4 inputs i should buy 2 condensors for the overhead mics above the drums and 2 dynamics, 1 for the bass drum and one for the snare ?
Basically as i am just learning this |
| benjisonfire |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 23:51:17
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit... thats a big topic... basicaly.. you need both... drums isnt 1 mic. its many with many different functions.
close mics= dynamics.
room/overheads = comdensers... if you only have 1 mic, a condenser about 3 foot away from the kick and about 1 food above it... and a lot of internal control and dynamics... |
| Badman_batman |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 22:26:24
The zoom h4n does power them which is why I'm considering them but wondered if they were better |
| sunshinehead |
Posted - 18/04/2012 : 21:45:37
Condensers will need to be powered. Both good, depends on your application and under what conditions you are recording. |
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