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| gaz farrimond |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 18:44:37
... that Wiggins fellah and bike helmets.
Compulsory or not?
For me, considering I cycle 14 miles for the daily commute and get out on the moors at weekend when I can, I vote yes.
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| NormanHouse |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 12:53:18
"Olympic mountain biking too? I didn't even know, will have to tune in for that!!"
Looks like the hardest event anyone can do. Been some critiscism of the purpose built track which does look very artificial. They have changed it in response to the concerns. But why not use one of the dedicated Mountain Bike Centres? I don't think we are fancied in the MB race but who knows. |
| PhilR |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 22:48:20
quote:
Originally posted by Jeffskowski
- Compulsory safety equipment.
- Bike test and licence
- Points system for traffic offences
- Mandatory insurance
Thats what I would like to see but that would cost money and that will kill the number of cyclists on the roads and the planet will go into meltdown.
How exactly do you propose these requirements be applied to the vast number of children riding bikes in the UK? Or do you propose that cycling be banned for everyone under the age of 18?
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| Th0mas25 |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 21:34:34
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Originally posted by Cam1
quote:
Originally posted by Th0mas25
Ouch MtD!!!  I bought another BMX a few years ago, soon realised that I'd lost any skills I ever might have had, and coming off hurt a lot more than it did 20 years ago. Sold BMX.... Fast forward a few years, my boy's now moving from a wee 16" BMX to a 20" one, enjoys visits to both the local track and skatepark (although the latter only to watch so far) so last month, whoops, bought myself another BMX too!! 
Never wore a helmet on the BMX though but will buy myself one of those puddin'bowl things, I can hardly drum it into my son that he's got to wear a helmet when I'm not 
Your boy best be careful out there because according to OA he might be a legitimate target, especially if he wears a hoodie.
I notice for the third time now, that BMX is an Olympic sport, I shall be looking forward to that, the skills that some of those guys and girls have are remarkable. Will you be watching any of that?
Regarding OA's comments. I do agree the cyclist who sadly got killed seems to have been responsible for his own demise and what he did, if the statement is correct, was stupid. But we ALL do stupid things in life from time to time, he was unlucky and I feel for his family and friends. I find the rest of OA's comments crass, heartless and really quite nonsensical, so can't take them seriously.
But aye very much looking forward to the BMX racing, although I hope Shanaze does better than at the Worlds this year where she crashed out. I don't know the other British rider Liam(?) but hope he does well too of course!
I love both BMX racing and freestyle and used to do a bit of both, but it's got a lot more specialised these days with racing bikes totally different from freestyle bikes, and they're different aswell depending on park, trails, flatland riding etc. Over recent years freestyle has become more popular again thanks to X-games, Dew tour etc. and I hope after the Olympics, that more kids will want to race too (and that councils will build/re-build tracks again!!).
Olympic mountain biking too? I didn't even know, will have to tune in for that!! |
| NormanHouse |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 14:28:58
I went to a MotorBike show at the Britannia Stadium last week - Brill, met Guy Martin and saw the Wall of Death (amazing). There was a display of the countries top BMX tricksters doing amazing things. Sitting on handlbars doing a front wheelies and spinning continuously- then taking hands off!
But as I say Olympic BMX is a race with competitors displaying a racers mentality.
No showing off. |
| Cam1 |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 12:49:15
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Originally posted by NormanHouse
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Originally posted by Cam1
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Originally posted by Th0mas25
Ouch MtD!!! I bought another BMX a few years ago, soon realised that I'd lost any skills I ever might have had, and coming off hurt a lot more than it did 20 years ago. Sold BMX.... Fast forward a few years, my boy's now moving from a wee 16" BMX to a 20" one, enjoys visits to both the local track and skatepark (although the latter only to watch so far) so last month, whoops, bought myself another BMX too!!
Never wore a helmet on the BMX though but will buy myself one of those puddin'bowl things, I can hardly drum it into my son that he's got to wear a helmet when I'm not
Your boy best be careful out there because according to OA he might be a legitimate target, especially if he wears a hoodie.
I notice for the third time now, that BMX is an Olympic sport, I shall be looking forward to that, the skills that some of those guys and girls have are remarkable. Will you be watching any of that?
The Olympic BMX is a race pure and simple. No tricks, jumps, wheelies or spins. Impressive though that stuff is - the racing is better. Plus we have a great chance with Shaz Rhead in the womens.
I'm taking the afternoon off to watch it and the TaeKwon-Do where we have blown our chance at mens gold with the Aaron Cook debacle. Imagine if Wiggins was dropped from team GB two weeks ago?
Replaced by someone ranked 159th? That's what they have done in the TaeKwon-Do.
Interesting little spat you are having with OA there! Full credit for trying but you wont win even though you have the measure of him. I had a similar experience a few months back.
I'm not trying to win with OA, anyone who advocates harm to another is at best a fool, at worst, a vile individual, OA is a child, and arguing with with someon on the Internet is like trying to reason with a petulant insolent four year old.
I have missed the TaeKwon-Do debacle, I shall investigate, but I shall be watching the BMX race with interest and the Mountain Bike on Saturday and Sunday. Did you see the BMX guy on ITV 4's The Cycle Show last night? Very clever entertaining stuff. |
| NormanHouse |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 09:40:30
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Originally posted by Cam1
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Originally posted by Th0mas25
Ouch MtD!!! I bought another BMX a few years ago, soon realised that I'd lost any skills I ever might have had, and coming off hurt a lot more than it did 20 years ago. Sold BMX.... Fast forward a few years, my boy's now moving from a wee 16" BMX to a 20" one, enjoys visits to both the local track and skatepark (although the latter only to watch so far) so last month, whoops, bought myself another BMX too!!
Never wore a helmet on the BMX though but will buy myself one of those puddin'bowl things, I can hardly drum it into my son that he's got to wear a helmet when I'm not
Your boy best be careful out there because according to OA he might be a legitimate target, especially if he wears a hoodie.
I notice for the third time now, that BMX is an Olympic sport, I shall be looking forward to that, the skills that some of those guys and girls have are remarkable. Will you be watching any of that?
The Olympic BMX is a race pure and simple. No tricks, jumps, wheelies or spins. Impressive though that stuff is - the racing is better. Plus we have a great chance with Shaz Rhead in the womens.
I'm taking the afternoon off to watch it and the TaeKwon-Do where we have blown our chance at mens gold with the Aaron Cook debacle. Imagine if Wiggins was dropped from team GB two weeks ago?
Replaced by someone ranked 159th? That's what they have done in the TaeKwon-Do.
Interesting little spat you are having with OA there! Full credit for trying but you wont win even though you have the measure of him. I had a similar experience a few months back. |
| Cam1 |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 08:00:00
quote:
Originally posted by Th0mas25
Ouch MtD!!! I bought another BMX a few years ago, soon realised that I'd lost any skills I ever might have had, and coming off hurt a lot more than it did 20 years ago. Sold BMX.... Fast forward a few years, my boy's now moving from a wee 16" BMX to a 20" one, enjoys visits to both the local track and skatepark (although the latter only to watch so far) so last month, whoops, bought myself another BMX too!!
Never wore a helmet on the BMX though but will buy myself one of those puddin'bowl things, I can hardly drum it into my son that he's got to wear a helmet when I'm not
Your boy best be careful out there because according to OA he might be a legitimate target, especially if he wears a hoodie.
I notice for the third time now, that BMX is an Olympic sport, I shall be looking forward to that, the skills that some of those guys and girls have are remarkable. Will you be watching any of that? |
| Th0mas25 |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 00:38:49
Ouch MtD!!! I bought another BMX a few years ago, soon realised that I'd lost any skills I ever might have had, and coming off hurt a lot more than it did 20 years ago. Sold BMX.... Fast forward a few years, my boy's now moving from a wee 16" BMX to a 20" one, enjoys visits to both the local track and skatepark (although the latter only to watch so far) so last month, whoops, bought myself another BMX too!!
Never wore a helmet on the BMX though but will buy myself one of those puddin'bowl things, I can hardly drum it into my son that he's got to wear a helmet when I'm not |
| monkeythedrummer |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 23:49:58
I often wear a hoodie and still have a BMX, I do hope no one runs me over on purpose.
I did fall of a BMX once...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=516742199567&set=a.503998727587.18173.223603997&type=3&theater
Really should have been wearing a proper helmet.
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| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 20:56:14
quote:
Originally posted by Grahame B
I was nearly taken out by a huge truck - scariest thing that's ever happened to me despite regularly being near dangerous stuff.
In my case I'd arrived at some traffic lights and stopped ( I was first there ). The huge long truck full of rubble pulled up next to my back wheel. The lights changed and he pulled forward and turned left. I leapt sideways pulling my bike with me and had it snatched out of my hand as his back wheels went over my rear wheel.
The truck had to mount the pavement to do that.
Did anyone stop ? No.
So many cars and other vehicles have pulled out of side roads without looking that I'm now surprised when they dont.
The only time I've been involved in an accident in my car was when some nob-ead failed to stop at a junction, crossed a big fat white STOP line and a cycle path and hit my rear wheel arch.
There's too many idiots on the road and most of them drive cars.
Grahame, if you were at the lights first the driver should have seen you. as the witness statement says, the cyclist rode up the inside of the bus.
I have been a cyclist and am always aware of them.
But too many want to push their luck with no regards to their own or others safety!
Cam 1 clearly is one of the morons that are happy to put their lives at risk and deserve all they get, Captain Bubble I am sure always shows respect to others.
Yes there are many motorists that also flout the laws and I also have no time for these either. |
| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 20:34:39
quote:
Originally posted by Grahame B
I was nearly taken out by a huge truck - scariest thing that's ever happened to me despite regularly being near dangerous stuff.
In my case I'd arrived at some traffic lights and stopped ( I was first there ). The huge long truck full of rubble pulled up next to my back wheel. The lights changed and he pulled forward and turned left. I leapt sideways pulling my bike with me and had it snatched out of my hand as his back wheels went over my rear wheel.
The truck had to mount the pavement to do that.
Did anyone stop ? No.
So many cars and other vehicles have pulled out of side roads without looking that I'm now surprised when they dont.
The only time I've been involved in an accident in my car was when some nob-ead failed to stop at a junction, crossed a big fat white STOP line and a cycle path and hit my rear wheel arch.
There's too many idiots on the road and most of them drive cars.
Grahame, if you were at the lights first the driver should have seen you. as the witness statement says, the cyclist rode up the inside of the bus.
I have been a cyclist and am always aware of them.
But too many want to push their luck with no regards to their own or others safety!
Cam 1 clearly is one of the morons that are happy to put their lives at risk and deserve all they get, Captain Bubble I am sure always shows respect to others.
Yes there are many motorists that also flout the laws and I also have no time for these either. |
| Grahame B |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 13:51:04
I was nearly taken out by a huge truck - scariest thing that's ever happened to me despite regularly being near dangerous stuff.
In my case I'd arrived at some traffic lights and stopped ( I was first there ). The huge long truck full of rubble pulled up next to my back wheel. The lights changed and he pulled forward and turned left. I leapt sideways pulling my bike with me and had it snatched out of my hand as his back wheels went over my rear wheel.
The truck had to mount the pavement to do that.
Did anyone stop ? No.
So many cars and other vehicles have pulled out of side roads without looking that I'm now surprised when they dont.
The only time I've been involved in an accident in my car was when some nob-ead failed to stop at a junction, crossed a big fat white STOP line and a cycle path and hit my rear wheel arch.
There's too many idiots on the road and most of them drive cars. |
| Captain Bubble |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 13:46:55
My experience of 30 years of driving and cycling in London is that qualified professional drivers, such as truckers (HGV), bus drivers (PSV) and Black Cab drivers is that their advanced Driving and Road Awareness Training makes them far better drivers regarding cyclists' safety than most car and those hired van drivers; most motor-cyclists are also far better than car drivers. Likewise cyclists who also drive are far better to motorists. Overtaking any vehicle on the inside is risky, and the risk increases with the size of the vehicle however well trained the driver might be. |
| stakka |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 13:29:46
You should use your mirror regularly - but they should not have to be used to distraction when driving a large vehicle and trying to concentrate on things up ahead - there is a lot going on when driving these days and only one place you can look at a time.
I'm all for cyclists being able to enjoy the roads but anyone who rides, walks, skateboards, moonwalks or space hoppers it up the inside of a large vehicle which is obviously trying to get somewhere is a danger to themselves and others around them and should know better.
Get your thinking around this... would you let your child - or even yourself - walk up that narrow gap between a moving bus and a pavement ? No, probably not... so why does a bicycle suddenly make you invincible ? |
| beezerk |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 12:06:39
One of the first things my driving instructor said to me was "always check your passenger side mirror when turning left at a junction in case a cyclist has come down your inside without you knowing".
Kind of comes natural now however if a cyclist is daft enough to go down the inside of a bus then he's taking his life into his own hands IMO, would YOU trust a bus driver to know you are there? |
| Yard |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 10:53:50
Motorists with a conviction or penalty point should be banned for life to help ease congestion.
Any one under 45 should have their licence revoked and made to ride a bike to also ease congestion.
Those of us with a purpose in life will then be able to swiftly drive to our destination unhindered! |
| thebeaver |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 10:39:14
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Originally posted by Captain Bubble
I often hear people say that cyclists should be banned, but what about motorists?!
If they're caught enough times then they are! |
| Captain Bubble |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 09:45:59
quote:
Originally posted by Jeffskowski
Mr Bubble. I don't know the numbers but I would be happy to say that the number of Cyclists like yourself are outnumbered by a huge amount of cyclists like the ones I have described.
Whether or not this is true, just bear in mind that the vast majority of drivers jump lights, exceed speed limits, overtake dangerously/on the inside, fail to indicate, block box junctions and pedestrian crossings, cut up other road-users, use the wrong lane for their manouever at junctions, sound their horn at night, fail to give way when required....the list is endless. However people NOTICE when it is a cyclist mis-behaving yet they are so accustomed to drivers misbehaving. I often hear people say that cyclists should be banned, but what about motorists?! |
| Yard |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 09:43:10
PS All courier bikes should be crushed when the lycra clad owner runs a red light,stabilises himself/herself using your vehicle,weaves in and out of traffic without looking or looks as though they have lost their way from the Tour de France.
The above applies to motorbikes couriers also..lycra or no lycra!
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| Jeffskowski |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 09:15:15
Mr Bubble. I don't know the numbers but I would be happy to say that the number of Cyclists like yourself are outnumbered by a huge amount of cyclists like the ones I have described.
I agree that cycling is a fantastic alternative to driving. It keeps you fit, reduces congestion and helps the planet. I ride regularly but not on the roads but wear all the necessary safety equipment.
All I am saying is that if a cyclist uses public roads they should be adequately prepared to do so.
It should also be noted that the cyclists that draw the most attention in town are the "professional" riders that courier stuff about. They are like Taxi drivers. They think they are the cats tits and believe themselves to be better than everyone else on the roads and drive/ride like that.
- Compulsory safety equipment.
- Bike test and licence
- Points system for traffic offences
- Mandatory insurance
Thats what I would like to see but that would cost money and that will kill the number of cyclists on the roads and the planet will go into meltdown.
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| Yard |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 09:13:39
I think it is up to the freedom of the individual to use a helmet or not as it is now.
We should stop interfering in the lives of others be it,diet,lifestyle,smoking,drinking etc.
If you want to wear a helmet then do so...if not,as you were.
I do think that we should all send £5 per week to Gt Ormond St Hospital ..by law!!
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| Captain Bubble |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 08:56:06
I have cycled regularly in London for about 30 years and have never caused any collision with a vehicle, pedestrian, horse and rider or any other road user, but I have been hit several times by vehicles even though I am an experienced driver and know how to read the road and predict other road user's behaviour. Even when it was blindingly obvious that the driver had caused the hit, all the Police said was that it was my fault as I was not wearing a helmet. I now wear a helmet, yellow hi-vis jacket and hi-vis trouser straps with LEDS (as well a lights at night time). The Police want any possible excuse to allow them to do nothing, so by dressing up in all the stuff this is prevented.
What Wiggins is really calling for is legal protection. Yes a lot of cyclists are a menace to themselves and others, but they are still humans.
Cycle lanes in London are ridiculous, they go for a few meters then stop. They invariably end at junctions where they are most needed. Those on roads are full of parked or driving vehicles, those on pavements and in parks are full of pedestrians. Pedestrians are now a bigger hazard to cyclists than drivers, as SO many of them seem allergic to pavements, and walk in the road with their kids and pushchairs while chatting away on their phones, or stepping off kerbs without looking.
I get sick to death of cyclists constantly being berated for jumping lights yet the same people who say this (quite rightly) seems oblivious of the fact that for every cyclist jumping lights there are thousands of drivers doing exactly the same, and this is now so "normal" that no-one even notices it. I have seen Policemen watching a line of cars overtake a cyclist going through red lights after the cyclist had, yet they were allowed to but the cyclist got pulled, and this is a regular occurence.
Many drivers hate cyclists and make life extremely difficult and dangerous for them. OK, how about all cyclists stop cycling and use their cars instead? Yup, the congestion will get even worse. Surely it is time for drivers to start realising that cyclists REDUCE congestion so that their journey is quicker and less stressful.
UK lags way behind other countries in having good, safe, continuous cycle lanes and facilities, and those countries and cities which DO provide good facilities also have much better behaved cyclists, and far fewer "militant" cyclists who take the Law in their own hands due to the appalling facilities and dangers here.
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| Jeffskowski |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 08:44:23
Helmet or no helmet, cyclists should be made to do a test as other road users have to.
It should be compulsory for them to have insurance.
I live on Boxhill where the Olympics cycle race was held. In the lead up to the games the roads have been littered with, for want of a better word, idiots who have little to no idea how to control the bike they are riding let alone any sort of road awareness or a sense of courtesy. Using phones while riding, no helmets, no lights.... the list goes on.
I have nothing against cycling and have no problem with people wanting to cycle but it's a free-for-all out there and when all is said and done, it's the motorists fault if someone gets killed or injured.
Being able to ride a bike does not make you a good bike rider. Same applies to all forms of vehicle but if you want to ride a nike, you can nip down to Halfords, buy one and then unleash yourself on the countries roads.
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| Cam1 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 08:15:48
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Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
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Originally posted by Cam1
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Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
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Originally posted by Cam1
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Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
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No lights = legitimate target
Hoody on BMX = legitimate target
What stupid thing to write, even in jest. No one is a legitimate target, no one's son or daughter who rides a BMX in a hoodie who goes off to do their paper round should be a target, no one who is daft a enough to take risk and ride a bike without lights is a" legitimate target", not horse riders, children on trikes, people walking about with their faces in their phones not paying attention. NO ONE. Not even cross dressing, percussion playing, war re-enacting, motorcyclists.
Why aren't they? if they are not paying attention, they get what they deserve, if you don't like it tough!
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Most cyclists involved in collisions have ridden into the path of other vehicles
Where is the evidence on which you base this conclusion?
The vast majority of accidents involving cyclists are down to their own stupidity.
I used to be a cyclist and it is embarrassing how stupid the majority seem to be, traffic controls are there for everyone, not to be ignored, one way streets mean what they say, but not apparently to cyclists, they are fair game, as are those that ride on the motorway, clearly you by your affinity are one of the tw@ts!
Should helmets be compulsory-No
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We would be left with more brain damaged people as has happened with motorcyclists, without a helmet they would no longer have had to suffer
Where is the evidence underlying this conclusion? Do you ever think before you type?
Yes, there are more motorcyclists still on life support and living as vegetables that were compelled to wear helmets than before
I would prefer to be killed outright than have to know that my family will suffer as possibly would I
Do you ever think before you read, or at least take time out to try and understand reality?
If you drive a motor vehicle, ride a bicycle, ride a horse it is your responsibility to drive it safely, courteously and with due care and consideration for other road users. If you are a pedestrian it is your responsibility to look where you are going and to pay attention also with due care and consideration.
Cyclist, Horse Riders, Pedestrians, Children, your old mum trying to cross the road are not the enemy, and are not a target.
The poor man who got killed the other day in that tragic incident with the bus, made, it seems a fundamental error. From what I can ascertain , he tied to pass the bus at the lights from the nearside, not realising that bus was turning left. He got knocked off and crushed under the wheels of the bus. If he was wearing a helmet it would not have helped him.
READ THIS: (warning, you may be upset by the "witness statement"
http://road.cc/content/news/62783-cyclist-killed-olympic-bus-witness-accounts-and-wigginss-input
This is the statement
As I was cycling home from work tonight a guy, maybe in his late 20's, was cycling level with me and as we approached a bus he went inside while I held back. The lights changed as he was in the buses blind spot and as he was attempting to go straight the bus turned left. He didn't really have anywhere to go and no time to do anything anyway...
It is so dangerous out there guys. But for a single choice that poor guy would have made it home tonight. Don't skip at lights when they look clear, don't try to squeeze past heavy vehicles to save a few seconds. Never be afraid to live your life to the fullest, but be careful and be aware of the dangers around you. Be safe everyone.
So the witness accepts it was the cyclists fault for riding up the inside of a large vehicle when it is turning left. what a dork, whilst I feel for his family, he asked to be knocked down
As having driven HGVs for years this scenario is so common, not just cyclists but cars as well, he (the cyclist) was responsible for his own safety, but he couldn't be bothered as he was an ignorant p1ll0ck!
And Cam, if you don't like the truth, just realise that one day when you grow up, reality will strike!
Where is the evidence? Show me the evididence I and I will retract my comments and apologise unreservedly.
I notice you call this man an ignorant pillock, without the slightest sense of irony.
I strongly suspect, that the poor man that died, a mothers son, possible a father himself, someones best freind, was foolish, inpatient and careless, he may well have also been an ignorant pillock too, but that is not for others to judge and is a bit rich coming from you.
I take it that you are able to read?
The witness statement says that he rode up the inside of a bus that was turning left, into the vehicles blind spot!!!
Ignorant-Yes
Stupid-Yes
Pillock-Yes
What more evidence do you need?
Wake up to reality, I do not care about whose son, husband, father he was, he asked for what he got, the bus driver must be exonerated as it was the cyclists fault
What about the trauma caused to the driver, his passengers etc....
They were legitimately going about their business when this idiot ruined their day, and caused them unneccessary delay!
Think in future before you make such ridiculous comments
Again I find it ironic that you do not comment on the original comments you made about the " facts" you posted above, and equally ironic that you tell me to get in the real world.
Whilst I agree that the driver of the bus will likey have been caused a great deal of stress and anxiety, as I expect some of the passengers will have done, they will live to see another day, and no doubt get over that horrible experience, or at least learn to live with it. The poor cyclist and his family will not.
"I do not care..." and " he asked for what he got" What loathsome comments to make. I hope that no one in your family has a horrible accident, however caused, and that no one shows the total lack of compassion and respect to them, that you seem have to over the loss of life of another human being.
Your comments on this subject do you no credit, you come across as a deeply troubled and unpleasant individual. I hope in real life that you are not, having said that I hope I never have to meet you, or have the misfortune of driving my car, or riding my bike along the same road as you for fear of becoming one of your "legitimate targets".
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| thebeaver |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 00:09:03
It's a witness statement, posted on Reddit OA. That means we know little to nothing about what happened. Witness could be exaggerating, could be a drama queen, coulda had something against the guy, coulda been ****ed.... who knows? But some guy posting about what he saw on social networking hardly gives us the right to judge a dead man. |
| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 05/08/2012 : 21:45:20
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Originally posted by Cam1
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Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
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Originally posted by Cam1
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Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
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No lights = legitimate target
Hoody on BMX = legitimate target
What stupid thing to write, even in jest. No one is a legitimate target, no one's son or daughter who rides a BMX in a hoodie who goes off to do their paper round should be a target, no one who is daft a enough to take risk and ride a bike without lights is a" legitimate target", not horse riders, children on trikes, people walking about with their faces in their phones not paying attention. NO ONE. Not even cross dressing, percussion playing, war re-enacting, motorcyclists.
Why aren't they? if they are not paying attention, they get what they deserve, if you don't like it tough!
quote:
Most cyclists involved in collisions have ridden into the path of other vehicles
Where is the evidence on which you base this conclusion?
The vast majority of accidents involving cyclists are down to their own stupidity.
I used to be a cyclist and it is embarrassing how stupid the majority seem to be, traffic controls are there for everyone, not to be ignored, one way streets mean what they say, but not apparently to cyclists, they are fair game, as are those that ride on the motorway, clearly you by your affinity are one of the tw@ts!
Should helmets be compulsory-No
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We would be left with more brain damaged people as has happened with motorcyclists, without a helmet they would no longer have had to suffer
Where is the evidence underlying this conclusion? Do you ever think before you type?
Yes, there are more motorcyclists still on life support and living as vegetables that were compelled to wear helmets than before
I would prefer to be killed outright than have to know that my family will suffer as possibly would I
Do you ever think before you read, or at least take time out to try and understand reality?
If you drive a motor vehicle, ride a bicycle, ride a horse it is your responsibility to drive it safely, courteously and with due care and consideration for other road users. If you are a pedestrian it is your responsibility to look where you are going and to pay attention also with due care and consideration.
Cyclist, Horse Riders, Pedestrians, Children, your old mum trying to cross the road are not the enemy, and are not a target.
The poor man who got killed the other day in that tragic incident with the bus, made, it seems a fundamental error. From what I can ascertain , he tied to pass the bus at the lights from the nearside, not realising that bus was turning left. He got knocked off and crushed under the wheels of the bus. If he was wearing a helmet it would not have helped him.
READ THIS: (warning, you may be upset by the "witness statement"
http://road.cc/content/news/62783-cyclist-killed-olympic-bus-witness-accounts-and-wigginss-input
This is the statement
As I was cycling home from work tonight a guy, maybe in his late 20's, was cycling level with me and as we approached a bus he went inside while I held back. The lights changed as he was in the buses blind spot and as he was attempting to go straight the bus turned left. He didn't really have anywhere to go and no time to do anything anyway...
It is so dangerous out there guys. But for a single choice that poor guy would have made it home tonight. Don't skip at lights when they look clear, don't try to squeeze past heavy vehicles to save a few seconds. Never be afraid to live your life to the fullest, but be careful and be aware of the dangers around you. Be safe everyone.
So the witness accepts it was the cyclists fault for riding up the inside of a large vehicle when it is turning left. what a dork, whilst I feel for his family, he asked to be knocked down
As having driven HGVs for years this scenario is so common, not just cyclists but cars as well, he (the cyclist) was responsible for his own safety, but he couldn't be bothered as he was an ignorant p1ll0ck!
And Cam, if you don't like the truth, just realise that one day when you grow up, reality will strike!
Where is the evidence? Show me the evididence I and I will retract my comments and apologise unreservedly.
I notice you call this man an ignorant pillock, without the slightest sense of irony.
I strongly suspect, that the poor man that died, a mothers son, possible a father himself, someones best freind, was foolish, inpatient and careless, he may well have also been an ignorant pillock too, but that is not for others to judge and is a bit rich coming from you.
I take it that you are able to read?
The witness statement says that he rode up the inside of a bus that was turning left, into the vehicles blind spot!!!
Ignorant-Yes
Stupid-Yes
Pillock-Yes
What more evidence do you need?
Wake up to reality, I do not care about whose son, husband, father he was, he asked for what he got, the bus driver must be exonerated as it was the cyclists fault
What about the trauma caused to the driver, his passengers etc....
They were legitimately going about their business when this idiot ruined their day, and caused them unneccessary delay!
Think in future before you make such ridiculous comments |
| Cam1 |
Posted - 04/08/2012 : 14:54:41
quote:
Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
quote:
Originally posted by Cam1
quote:
Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
quote:
No lights = legitimate target
Hoody on BMX = legitimate target
What stupid thing to write, even in jest. No one is a legitimate target, no one's son or daughter who rides a BMX in a hoodie who goes off to do their paper round should be a target, no one who is daft a enough to take risk and ride a bike without lights is a" legitimate target", not horse riders, children on trikes, people walking about with their faces in their phones not paying attention. NO ONE. Not even cross dressing, percussion playing, war re-enacting, motorcyclists.
Why aren't they? if they are not paying attention, they get what they deserve, if you don't like it tough!
quote:
Most cyclists involved in collisions have ridden into the path of other vehicles
Where is the evidence on which you base this conclusion?
The vast majority of accidents involving cyclists are down to their own stupidity.
I used to be a cyclist and it is embarrassing how stupid the majority seem to be, traffic controls are there for everyone, not to be ignored, one way streets mean what they say, but not apparently to cyclists, they are fair game, as are those that ride on the motorway, clearly you by your affinity are one of the tw@ts!
Should helmets be compulsory-No
quote:
We would be left with more brain damaged people as has happened with motorcyclists, without a helmet they would no longer have had to suffer
Where is the evidence underlying this conclusion? Do you ever think before you type?
Yes, there are more motorcyclists still on life support and living as vegetables that were compelled to wear helmets than before
I would prefer to be killed outright than have to know that my family will suffer as possibly would I
Do you ever think before you read, or at least take time out to try and understand reality?
If you drive a motor vehicle, ride a bicycle, ride a horse it is your responsibility to drive it safely, courteously and with due care and consideration for other road users. If you are a pedestrian it is your responsibility to look where you are going and to pay attention also with due care and consideration.
Cyclist, Horse Riders, Pedestrians, Children, your old mum trying to cross the road are not the enemy, and are not a target.
The poor man who got killed the other day in that tragic incident with the bus, made, it seems a fundamental error. From what I can ascertain , he tied to pass the bus at the lights from the nearside, not realising that bus was turning left. He got knocked off and crushed under the wheels of the bus. If he was wearing a helmet it would not have helped him.
READ THIS: (warning, you may be upset by the "witness statement"
http://road.cc/content/news/62783-cyclist-killed-olympic-bus-witness-accounts-and-wigginss-input
This is the statement
As I was cycling home from work tonight a guy, maybe in his late 20's, was cycling level with me and as we approached a bus he went inside while I held back. The lights changed as he was in the buses blind spot and as he was attempting to go straight the bus turned left. He didn't really have anywhere to go and no time to do anything anyway...
It is so dangerous out there guys. But for a single choice that poor guy would have made it home tonight. Don't skip at lights when they look clear, don't try to squeeze past heavy vehicles to save a few seconds. Never be afraid to live your life to the fullest, but be careful and be aware of the dangers around you. Be safe everyone.
So the witness accepts it was the cyclists fault for riding up the inside of a large vehicle when it is turning left. what a dork, whilst I feel for his family, he asked to be knocked down
As having driven HGVs for years this scenario is so common, not just cyclists but cars as well, he (the cyclist) was responsible for his own safety, but he couldn't be bothered as he was an ignorant p1ll0ck!
And Cam, if you don't like the truth, just realise that one day when you grow up, reality will strike!
Where is the evidence? Show me the evididence I and I will retract my comments and apologise unreservedly.
I notice you call this man an ignorant pillock, without the slightest sense of irony.
I strongly suspect, that the poor man that died, a mothers son, possible a father himself, someones best freind, was foolish, inpatient and careless, he may well have also been an ignorant pillock too, but that is not for others to judge and is a bit rich coming from you. |
| Cardiacs955i |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 21:49:01
quote:
Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
Of course Wiggo did make some other very valid points
Do not:
Text or use a phone whilst riding
Listen to an ipod etc whilst riding
Pretty much common sense
When it comes to phone use in any mode of transport, maybe the authorities rather than issuing the occassional fixed penalty notice, should be able to sieze the phone and have it destroyed
They do it with your car!!
Discuss
100% agree.
|
| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 20:44:16
quote:
Originally posted by Cam1
quote:
Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
quote:
No lights = legitimate target
Hoody on BMX = legitimate target
What stupid thing to write, even in jest. No one is a legitimate target, no one's son or daughter who rides a BMX in a hoodie who goes off to do their paper round should be a target, no one who is daft a enough to take risk and ride a bike without lights is a" legitimate target", not horse riders, children on trikes, people walking about with their faces in their phones not paying attention. NO ONE. Not even cross dressing, percussion playing, war re-enacting, motorcyclists.
Why aren't they? if they are not paying attention, they get what they deserve, if you don't like it tough!
quote:
Most cyclists involved in collisions have ridden into the path of other vehicles
Where is the evidence on which you base this conclusion?
The vast majority of accidents involving cyclists are down to their own stupidity.
I used to be a cyclist and it is embarrassing how stupid the majority seem to be, traffic controls are there for everyone, not to be ignored, one way streets mean what they say, but not apparently to cyclists, they are fair game, as are those that ride on the motorway, clearly you by your affinity are one of the tw@ts!
Should helmets be compulsory-No
quote:
We would be left with more brain damaged people as has happened with motorcyclists, without a helmet they would no longer have had to suffer
Where is the evidence underlying this conclusion? Do you ever think before you type?
Yes, there are more motorcyclists still on life support and living as vegetables that were compelled to wear helmets than before
I would prefer to be killed outright than have to know that my family will suffer as possibly would I
Do you ever think before you read, or at least take time out to try and understand reality?
If you drive a motor vehicle, ride a bicycle, ride a horse it is your responsibility to drive it safely, courteously and with due care and consideration for other road users. If you are a pedestrian it is your responsibility to look where you are going and to pay attention also with due care and consideration.
Cyclist, Horse Riders, Pedestrians, Children, your old mum trying to cross the road are not the enemy, and are not a target.
The poor man who got killed the other day in that tragic incident with the bus, made, it seems a fundamental error. From what I can ascertain , he tied to pass the bus at the lights from the nearside, not realising that bus was turning left. He got knocked off and crushed under the wheels of the bus. If he was wearing a helmet it would not have helped him.
READ THIS: (warning, you may be upset by the "witness statement"
http://road.cc/content/news/62783-cyclist-killed-olympic-bus-witness-accounts-and-wigginss-input
This is the statement
As I was cycling home from work tonight a guy, maybe in his late 20's, was cycling level with me and as we approached a bus he went inside while I held back. The lights changed as he was in the buses blind spot and as he was attempting to go straight the bus turned left. He didn't really have anywhere to go and no time to do anything anyway...
It is so dangerous out there guys. But for a single choice that poor guy would have made it home tonight. Don't skip at lights when they look clear, don't try to squeeze past heavy vehicles to save a few seconds. Never be afraid to live your life to the fullest, but be careful and be aware of the dangers around you. Be safe everyone.
So the witness accepts it was the cyclists fault for riding up the inside of a large vehicle when it is turning left. what a dork, whilst I feel for his family, he asked to be knocked down
As having driven HGVs for years this scenario is so common, not just cyclists but cars as well, he (the cyclist) was responsible for his own safety, but he couldn't be bothered as he was an ignorant p1ll0ck!
And Cam, if you don't like the truth, just realise that one day when you grow up, reality will strike! |
| Cam1 |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 08:44:01
quote:
Originally posted by OriginalAnimal
quote:
No lights = legitimate target
Hoody on BMX = legitimate target
What stupid thing to write, even in jest. No one is a legitimate target, no one's son or daughter who rides a BMX in a hoodie who goes off to do their paper round should be a target, no one who is daft a enough to take risk and ride a bike without lights is a" legitimate target", not horse riders, children on trikes, people walking about with their faces in their phones not paying attention. NO ONE. Not even cross dressing, percussion playing, war re-enacting, motorcyclists.
quote:
Most cyclists involved in collisions have ridden into the path of other vehicles
Where is the evidence on which you base this conclusion?
Should helmets be compulsory-No
quote:
We would be left with more brain damaged people as has happened with motorcyclists, without a helmet they would no longer have had to suffer
Where is the evidence underlying this conclusion? Do you ever think before you type?
If you drive a motor vehicle, ride a bicycle, ride a horse it is your responsibility to drive it safely, courteously and with due care and consideration for other road users. If you are a pedestrian it is your responsibility to look where you are going and to pay attention also with due care and consideration.
Cyclist, Horse Riders, Pedestrians, Children, your old mum trying to cross the road are not the enemy, and are not a target.
The poor man who got killed the other day in that tragic incident with the bus, made, it seems a fundamental error. From what I can ascertain , he tied to pass the bus at the lights from the nearside, not realising that bus was turning left. He got knocked off and crushed under the wheels of the bus. If he was wearing a helmet it would not have helped him.
READ THIS: (warning, you may be upset by the "witness statement"
http://road.cc/content/news/62783-cyclist-killed-olympic-bus-witness-accounts-and-wigginss-input |
| meat2veg |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 07:37:33
I've definitely seen him using a phone on the bike during the tour. |
| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 07:07:05
Of course Wiggo did make some other very valid points
Do not:
Text or use a phone whilst riding
Listen to an ipod etc whilst riding
Pretty much common sense
When it comes to phone use in any mode of transport, maybe the authorities rather than issuing the occassional fixed penalty notice, should be able to sieze the phone and have it destroyed
They do it with your car!!
Discuss |
| meat2veg |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 06:27:12
I think shiny red helmets with RAF roundels on the front should be compulsory. |
| thebeaver |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 23:24:29
If I was to fall off my bike and time was to magically stop a second before my head struck the kerb, while a mystical guy asked me "would you like to proceed these following moments with or without a helmet", I know what my answer would be.
You can say most incidents involve a car so it wouldnt help, but its not like you get to choose what day you fall of and what day you get hit by a lorry... |
| FenTiger |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 23:06:02
My brother's a mad keen cyclist. A few years ago, he was found unconscious in the middle of the road as he's come off his bike. Whether he'd fallen or been knocked off is open to speculation, but his cycle helmet (not a cheap one, if I know my brother) had been split clean into two by the impact with the road. I dare say that I'd be speaking about him in the past tense if he hadn't been wearing it. He had to spend quite a few weeks with his head in a brace, which might have been down to the helmet. Better than being dead, wouldn't you think?
Having said that, I don't know if it should be compulsory to wear one as I don't know all of the statistics and I'm no statistician anyway. I think road cyclists should be insured though, for their own sake as much as anyone else's. If they cause an accident then they are liable to be sued in the same way as a motorists. I know someone who's car was written off as a result of a cyclist's actions. Even though the cyclist was in a bad way in hospital, the driver's insurance company's solicitors were trying to take them to the cleaners. |
| OriginalAnimal |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 22:39:00
quote:
Originally posted by NormanHouse
It would be an unenforceable law anyway.
I see plenty of cyclists with no lights.
Plenty of chav hoodies on scruffy BMX's - how would you stop them?
Every day on my way home from work I see a couple of drivers on mobiles - truck driver at a roundabout tonight!
Too many heavy vehicles near too many people- especially in the cities.
No lights = legitimate target
Hoody on BMX = legitimate target
Most cyclists involved in collisions have ridden into the path of other vehicles
Should helmets be compulsory-No
We would be left with more brain damaged people as has happened with motorcyclists, without a helmet they would no longer have had to suffer
Seatbelts are also pretty useless, I was in a car that overturned due to mechanical failure, the sideways force pushed me through the door, the belt snapped and I was dragged down the road until the car rolled again, when I was thrown over the top
Without a belt I would just have had a few bruises instead of having the skin scraped off my back! |
| Th0mas25 |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 22:30:08
To follow on... I said I wasn't sure whether it should be compulsory or not. Even if it was. I would NOT want to see it enforced... police have more serious matters to deal with! |
| NormanHouse |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 22:24:25
It would be an unenforceable law anyway.
I see plenty of cyclists with no lights.
Plenty of chav hoodies on scruffy BMX's - how would you stop them?
Every day on my way home from work I see a couple of drivers on mobiles - truck driver at a roundabout tonight!
Too many heavy vehicles near too many people- especially in the cities. |
| Th0mas25 |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 22:17:34
I wear a helmet if I'm mountain biking or cycling on the road. When I muck about on my BMX I tend not to, I just grab the bike and go, and tend to forget.
I'm no expert on the science of whether helmets protect your head or not, and at what speeds. But they seem to be similar arguments that were around before motorcycle helmets became compulsory, or before seatbelts became compulsory.... and in my opinion there may be odd instances when not wearing a helmet or seatbelt would have been 'safer' but by and large they'll have saved thousands of lives. By the same token I reckon wearing a helmet on a pushbike has to be safer than not wearing one. Compulsory though? I dunno... |
| NormanHouse |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 21:59:29
Helmets are designed to reduce the trauma of a fall from vertical to horizontal at walking pace.
A Helmet wouldn't have helped the poor guy killed at the Olympic park.
Most accidents in London (cyclist fatalities that is) involve other motor vehicles crossing the path of cyclists.
Cycle helmets are not designed or capable of withstanding and distributing the shock from a motor vehicle. Have you seen what the Down hill mountain bikers wear? Practically motorbike stuff.
That said I tend to wear one out on the trails - more to guard against low branches and to set an example to the off spring.
Where helmet wear is compulsory cycling has been shown to diminish.
Wiggo was just caught in the spotlight of the press conference. |
| teethmeister |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 21:57:03
quote:
Originally posted by rytenuff
I'm confused, your mate doesn't wear a helmet so are we to take from this that your mate cycles everywhere at +30mph where, above 30mph they make no difference, or sub 30 mph but he has no faith in the testing methods to produce reliable data.
He doesn't wear a bycycle helmet at any speed because, based on the evidence he has seen, it is not worth it, possibly even detrimental on balance. |
| Cam1 |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 21:42:15
Wear a helmet, don't wear a helmet, your choice, your responsibility, you take the consequences. |
| gaz farrimond |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 21:26:14
quote:
Originally posted by irish_steve
I would like to see a few studies on helmets, it sounds like common sense to wear one, but I'm wary of a time where common sense things are enforced by law (legally obliged to tie your shoelaces?)
I remember all the same arguements when motorcycle helmets were brought into law.
To be honest, when I get down Widewell or Cann woods (No roads) I don't wear a helmet and push the boundaries to a very dangerous degree. Wearing a helmet for me is a calming influence.
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| irish_steve |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 21:18:21
From Wiggo's Twitter feed:
Just to confirm I haven't called for helmets to be made the law as reports suggest
I suggested it may be the way to go to give cyclists more protection legally I involved In an accident
I wasn't on me soap box CALLING, was asked what I thought
I would like to see a few studies on helmets, it sounds like common sense to wear one, but I'm wary of a time where common sense things are enforced by law (legally obliged to tie your shoelaces?)
Living in London it (anecdotally) seems most cyclists are killed by being run over and crushed rather than banging their heads. |
| Grahame B |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 20:56:42
quote:
Originally posted by rytenuff
I'm confused, your mate doesn't wear a helmet so are we to take from this that your mate cycles everywhere at +30mph where, above 30mph they make no difference, or sub 30 mph but he has no faith in the testing methods to produce reliable data.
Possibly below 17mph. |
| rytenuff |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 20:31:03
I'm confused, your mate doesn't wear a helmet so are we to take from this that your mate cycles everywhere at +30mph where, above 30mph they make no difference, or sub 30 mph but he has no faith in the testing methods to produce reliable data. |
| Stomper |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 20:26:08
It`s a no-brainer riding without a helmet, literally. |
| teethmeister |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 20:16:42
Actually, I've mis-remembered that. Above 30mph they make no difference. Between 17 and 30 they help a bit - but then there's the psychology thing as a caveat as above.
If you want to be properly protected you need something more like a motorcycle helmet. |
| teethmeister |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 20:13:02
A mate of mine used to work at TRL where they do safety testing / certification for cars, crash-test-dummies, etc. He cycles a lot. He doesn't use a helmet. He will never ride in a mini-bus (but that's another thing...)
He told me that for a cyclist below 17mph wearing a helmet makes things worse - higher risk of neck injuries and the like from the extra leverage and also because when you fall over you instinctively know where the various bits of your body are, but your head hits the floor sooner than you expect when it is wider because of a helmet. This has an effect that increases the frequency and severity of head injuries too.
Above 30mph cycle helmets do help you.
Between 17mph and 30mph they make little difference to the raw statistics. But then when you add in that (a) many cyclists feel psychologically more invincible when wearing a helmet and so they cycle faster than without, brake later and take more risks all round - i.e. more accidents happen - and (b) car drivers also subconsciously give a less wide birth around a helmeted cyclist - which leads to a higher probability of accident.
So I don't wear one either.
What did the Wiggins chap say? I haven't seen the news. Is he for or against? |
| www.ecymbals.co.uk |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 19:38:37
quote:
Originally posted by metallicpearl
They should be compulsory.
+1 |
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