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averagewaistdude
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Posted - 27/01/2012 :  10:03:31  Show Profile  Visit averagewaistdude's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Is there a particular throw off strainer and butt (fnar, fnar)that can fit tom hoops instead of snare hoops.

Normally on snare hoops theres a "hole" for which the wires can be attached to the strainer and butt. However the hoops I have are standard tom hoops (no "holes")

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Posted - 27/01/2012 :  10:22:54  Show Profile  Visit Captain Bubble's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I vaguely remember hearing about a vintage snare with the strainer and butt integral with the bottom hoop, but it still probably would have required holes. I am not aware of any current versions. You will either have to get a new bottom hoop (Highwood/drumbuilder or stdrums.de) or chain-drill and file holes in your bottom hoop then paint or lacquer the worked edges to prevent rusting.

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dogface
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Posted - 27/01/2012 :  13:21:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've used tom hoops as snare hoops but instead of cutting the huge hole that you normally see on snare hoops, I just drilled two smaller holes (about 12mm diameter? can't remember exactly) to pass the snare cords through. Of course, you have to use cords instead of straps, but it's quite easy to do. I made sure the edges of the holes were burr-free and completely smooth so as not to saw through the cord.
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dogface
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Posted - 27/01/2012 :  13:22:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
PS A little bit vaseline on the edges of the drilled holes should prevent rusting.
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Captain Bubble
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Posted - 27/01/2012 :  13:32:51  Show Profile  Visit Captain Bubble's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yup, I have used holes and cord in the past, and Vaseline is fine, easy to "top up" every so often too. The important thing is that the holes must extend downwards enough so cords or straps can drop fully away from the bottom head, or they can rattle against it while off, if the drum is played hard.

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Jon Petersen
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Posted - 27/01/2012 :  21:45:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Exactly, and likewise they will have to be placed upwards enough so that the snare wires are held up against the head properly.

12 mm is way too big holes - that will weaken the hoop.

3-4 mm is enough for the cords to pass through without grinding.


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Posted - 27/01/2012 :  23:12:24  Show Profile  Visit hummdrums's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I can supply 2.3mm hoops with the slots in from 10" to 14" in if that helps. they range from £10.92 to £12.04 Please delete this if it is not allowed on forum, just thought it might be of help.


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monkeythedrummer
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Posted - 28/01/2012 :  12:34:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Jeff, lugs will be with you shortly! What did you decide to do about the wrap?

You can drill a hoop to have the wires pass through, it might be the easiest solution.




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Herman M.
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Posted - 28/01/2012 :  12:43:45  Show Profile  Visit Herman M.'s Homepage  Reply with Quote
A little transparent lacquer or rust preventing paint (like its used for cars) will keep the holes from rusting forever!
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averagewaistdude
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Posted - 30/01/2012 :  11:24:00  Show Profile  Visit averagewaistdude's Homepage  Reply with Quote
@monkeythedrummer I managed to get a loverly WMP from a certain MD forum member! Looks the biz...
@hummdrumms - noted for future use!


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dogface
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Posted - 30/01/2012 :  15:34:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Jon Petersen

Exactly, and likewise they will have to be placed upwards enough so that the snare wires are held up against the head properly.

12 mm is way too big holes - that will weaken the hoop.

3-4 mm is enough for the cords to pass through without grinding.


Regards

Jon



I made the holes to cover most of the width of that flat part of the hoop, I can't remember the dimensions now. However, the holes are nowhere near as big as the enormous cut-out that regular snare hoops have and won't weaken the hoop anywhere near as much. The holes need to be big enough to accommodate different heads with different collar depths.
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