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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 30/01/2012 : 09:26:34
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My daughter plays in a screamo thrash metal type band, and a key feature of many of their songs is riding on the china. She has a Meinl Generation X Thomas Lang 14" Filter China which apparently sounded just right (fairly dry, short sustain) but unfortunately hasn't stood up to the job and is badly cracked. Its replacement is a Stagg 16" china which she hates - too clangy, too thick, too low pitched, too much sustain.
So any suggestions about a suitable alternative, please? I've wondered whether she should be using a trash cymbal instead of a china, but she doesn't have the budget to experiment with. Would a 14" china have a shorter sustain? Are Dream chinas any different to Stagg? |
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Unkle Kev
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 10:11:17
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| I use an 18" AAX china and 14" Wuhan. I picked the Wuhan for riding on to get a short and loud trashy hi hat effect, and the 14" size is ideal for that. Its really thick and trashy, and does the job great while being crap for anything else! I can't see it lasting long though as the cheap Stagg/Wuhan/Whatever cymbals aren't made of the best alloy. I'll probably replace it with a 14" Sabian B8 Pro when it eventually dies. |
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thebeaver
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 10:29:05
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| The zildjian oriental trash china is usually the go to china for this sorta thing I think. Have a few mates playing in scremo bands that swear by it. Sizes from 12-20 to so a lot of choice. |
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 10:31:26
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Originally posted by thebeaver
The zildjian oriental trash china is usually the go to china for this sorta thing I think. Have a few mates playing in scremo bands that swear by it. Sizes from 12-20 to so a lot of choice.
+1
they are thick, and it may seem a bit much to her, but in the mix... |
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Allegro
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 10:50:14
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| Make the current Stagg china into a cymbal stack, with a addition of a splash cymbal. |
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Sharklaar
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United Kingdom
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scaryhair
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United Kingdom
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rufusisdrumming
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United Kingdom
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Jon Petersen
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Denmark
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 14:14:23
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In my experience, she had teh right one from the start - The Meinl is the best sounding one in this size.
Either she must learn how to trash it without breaking it - hitting angle, thickness of sticks - or bite the apple and buy new ones from time to time....They are not more prone to cracking than the other ones, so changing model won“t help. The thicker ones she“ll just hit harder to get the same kind of crash from, and that will break them anyway, I“am afraid.
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
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United Kingdom
6193 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2012 : 14:35:45
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How does this sound:
Wild, roaring, dark, trashy, shimmering. Wide range, fairly complex mix. Responsive feel. Aggressive, widespread, shattering attack with an oriental, acidic decay. Perfectly suited for all types of extreme musical styles that require a sturdy, almost uncontrollable China. Odd sizes offer a unique and different alternative to your set up ? |
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nigelsmithson
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2012 : 14:41:22
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Perhaps too much sustain? What is it?
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beezerk
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United Kingdom
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luke3030
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 15:07:15
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Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
How does this sound:
Wild, roaring, dark, trashy, shimmering. Wide range, fairly complex mix. Responsive feel. Aggressive, widespread, shattering attack with an oriental, acidic decay. Perfectly suited for all types of extreme musical styles that require a sturdy, almost uncontrollable China. Odd sizes offer a unique and different alternative to your set up ?
2002 Wild? |
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thebeaver
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1850 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2012 : 18:00:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Allegro
Make the current Stagg china into a cymbal stack, with a addition of a splash cymbal.
Could be a good shout! |
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www.ecymbals.co.uk
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6193 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2012 : 10:46:14
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Originally posted by luke3030
quote:
Originally posted by www.ecymbals.co.uk
How does this sound:
Wild, roaring, dark, trashy, shimmering. Wide range, fairly complex mix. Responsive feel. Aggressive, widespread, shattering attack with an oriental, acidic decay. Perfectly suited for all types of extreme musical styles that require a sturdy, almost uncontrollable China. Odd sizes offer a unique and different alternative to your set up ?
2002 Wild?
Exactly and they make it in a 15"
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logic_user99
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United Kingdom
10131 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2012 : 11:09:18
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| Zildjian Z Custom chinese. Hefty, loud, and will take a beating. |
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Spen
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/01/2012 : 15:19:20
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| Sabian 15" Xtreme chinese cuts through. Or 14" or 16" Zildjian Oriental china trash. |
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Shaggi
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/01/2012 : 16:39:41
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Hmmmm ...
Personally the problem I have with bright and/or explosive chinas is that you can't really ride off them. Well you can ride off anything of course, but if they are too punchy or overpowering then I just don't get on with them - as rides. I much prefer the dryer and darker chinas if I'm going to using them for anything other than fast accents. So on that basis I'd be looking at a Sabian HHX 18".
Not sure if that helps, but another opinion will help to confuse :-D |
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MustangMick
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2012 : 19:52:22
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| Jon, I reckon you're right, but she won't be told! |
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Unkle Kev
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
1429 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2012 : 20:09:20
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Originally posted by Shaggi
Hmmmm ...
Personally the problem I have with bright and/or explosive chinas is that you can't really ride off them. Well you can ride off anything of course, but if they are too punchy or overpowering then I just don't get on with them - as rides. I much prefer the dryer and darker chinas if I'm going to using them for anything other than fast accents. So on that basis I'd be looking at a Sabian HHX 18".
Not sure if that helps, but another opinion will help to confuse :-D
I beg to differ. get one with a really short and dry sound and it can be just like a stack or small hi-hat effect. |
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Jon Petersen
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Denmark
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 23:04:54
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Originally posted by Unkle Kev
I beg to differ. get one with a really short and dry sound and it can be just like a stack or small hi-hat effect.
Yes - and that“s what she had, and broke.
But I think it is the best solution...
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AndyDrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 22:14:02
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| I had a Sabian 17" AAX-treme for a while. Bought it 2nd hand and it still lasted me about 4yrs. |
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Cymbals: Sabian AAX - 14" Stage Hats, 16" 18" & 20" Stage Crashes, 20" Stage Ride, 10" Splash, 14" Mini China and Zildjian 6" Zil-Bel
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Davidrummer
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Posted - 16/03/2012 : 14:24:29
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| Sabian Paragon 19" china is very good - short sustain and VERY trashy! Downside is that it is quite expensive...but have a look to buy from America (Ebay...), much cheaper even when you include postage costs. |
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Jon Petersen
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Denmark
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 15:07:55
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Originally posted by Davidrummer
Sabian Paragon 19" china is very good - short sustain and VERY trashy! Downside is that it is quite expensive...but have a look to buy from America (Ebay...), much cheaper even when you include postage costs.
Maybe - but don“t forget to add Tax and VAT - in Denmark 30% from the total cost INCLUDING postage AND the 20£ fee our great PostDanmark takes for writing that tax-bill....No Fun, if you buy a 10$ thingy with a 10$ postage - then pay 6$ Tax and VAT ? @ 35$ in fee - your 10$ thingy now cost 60$!!
Generally - only buy in the US what you can“t in any way get in Europe. Spares for old american drums, for instance. Otherwise, forget it.
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Brody
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Davidrummer
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Posted - 17/03/2012 : 18:42:38
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yeah thats the only problem- tax.
I know a pal who plays dream cymbals and their chinas - especially the 16" Bliss china - sounds amazing and just what your girl might be looking for! they are really cheap as they are made in china and china do not need to inport the materials so you could buy one for less that £100 easily! |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2012 : 12:21:46
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| Funnily enough, she uses Dream Bliss hats and crashes, and now has an Earth Ride and a Meinl Classics china - so everything is sorted for the moment (till something breaks again!) |
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Davidrummer
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Posted - 18/03/2012 : 15:18:58
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| Well i would consider having a look at their range of chinas! For what its worth! |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2012 : 20:27:58
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| I'll tell her, thanks :) |
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JKDrummerDude
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
269 Posts |
Posted - 20/03/2012 : 09:30:09
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| I'll be impressed if she breaks the Earth Ride...thats one massive piece of metal. |
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x408
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United Kingdom
529 Posts |
Posted - 20/03/2012 : 09:56:38
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| I'm on my third Wuhan... Think I'll try something else next time. I might give Julian a call for that Wild as I can't get over the description! |
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nigelsmithson
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United Kingdom
1949 Posts |
Posted - 20/03/2012 : 11:15:04
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| The genre of music she plays (some kind of metal) has her riding on the china quite a lot, and as such she's fussy about the exact sound; traditional chinas are too loud/washy/sustainy! |
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Drumheduk
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