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GoatStarer
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thedrumcrew
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13/04/2012 : 19:20:31
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Its ok but he never spun his sticks
Great video |
Thinking of the future as others close there eyes and hope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKaJ4b0XYmI
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David Smaylen
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/04/2012 : 20:52:23
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| That was absolutely brilliant. I'd give my right arm.......erm..that analogy never quite works for drummers, but you know what I mean. |
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Geoff_fry01
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United Kingdom
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theslingerland
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United Kingdom
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ian-40
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/04/2012 : 09:01:57
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| A humble mapex V series, sounding superb |
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rich
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United Kingdom
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Simon D
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/04/2012 : 12:44:35
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| gorgeous playing Mark. |
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rollingthunder
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United Kingdom
1842 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 12:48:07
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Superb. |
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barrappboomching
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USA
389 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 14:05:57
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| Just the bit of inspiration I was needing. Really enjoyed that!!! |
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jamoca
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/04/2012 : 15:17:04
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| Good thing I wasn't there - the last time I attended one of Fletch's clinics we spent half the time talking about gear, much to the amusement of the audience (not). |
Edible Goody Consumption Officer and Parallel Parking Specialist of the forum's Sonor Delite appreciation society
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martydrums
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
6146 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2012 : 16:02:58
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 EXCELLENT I am always enjoying your playing Mark! |
Official Sugar Daddy of the forum's Sonor Delite appreciation society, as nominated by Jamoca - Honorary President Paul Brook
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GoatStarer
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/04/2012 : 16:48:26
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Just saw Fast Food will look at the other later. Superb stuff, ML still full of beans, he must be a fair age by now.Great playing by the whole band and I like the casual spec adjustment!
Shame the editing and camera movements are so frantic. |
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GoatStarer
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/04/2012 : 17:12:09
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It's funny, he is widely known for his more sentimental/romantic music, but he certainly knows how a big band should sound.
I am supposed to be working flat out on an order, please STOP DIVERTING ME...
...Dear Customer, sorry about the delay on your kit, it's all the fault of Goat and No Chops distracting me! |
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GoatStarer
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Antigua and Barbuda
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GoatStarer
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GoatStarer
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GoatStarer
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GoatStarer
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pure_rock_fury
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Republic of Korea
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Posted - 15/04/2012 : 16:07:43
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| You play well, but you come across as a total prick online. Jesus H. It's embarrassing to read what you've written after watching such accomplished musicianship. |
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jamoca
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/04/2012 : 16:18:39
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Originally posted by GoatStarer
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Originally posted by jamoca
Good thing I wasn't there - the last time I attended one of Fletch's clinics we spent half the time talking about gear, much to the amusement of the audience (not).
cheeky phuktard...
someone asked about gear.
That would have been soulman. Not my fault, then.
I was the one who asked about ride patterns.
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maybe i didn't mention curry or noodles, you lost interest about REAL facts.
i forgot ...you know everything!
i've forgotten more than you'll ever learn.
Err... thanks? |
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thebeaver
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/04/2012 : 18:11:41
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Originally posted by GoatStarer
cheeky phuktard...
someone asked about gear.
maybe i didn't mention curry or noodles, you lost interest about REAL facts.
i forgot ...you know everything!
i've forgotten more than you'll ever learn.
Wow! |
Tunbridge Wells Music School
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GoatStarer
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Scary
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Posted - 15/04/2012 : 18:49:46
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| WAKE UP.... you are after all the nicest **** on here and a very talented one to boot. |
Mike Dolbear.. "Gerry has been whipping his crack all day"
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GoatStarer
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mike dolbear
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 12:39:40
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It saddens me but I have made a tough decision Mark your just not welcome hear.
You're a great drummer and one I have respected for many years but you just appear to come onto MY forum and stir it up when people are trying to be nice you throw it back in their face.
I have to admit when you stopped posting I was happy as I didn't have to worry about what you have gone and said now.
As this is my website and I pay for it I have decided that some of your postings cause me to many problems.
Like I said I love you're playing and your one of the best in the UK and I wish you all the best.
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Scary
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 16:25:32
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Originally posted by mike dolbear
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Originally posted by GoatStarer
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Originally posted by Scary
WAKE UP.... you are after all the nicest **** on here and a very talented one to boot.
xxxx
It saddens me but I have made a tough decision Mark your just not welcome hear.
You're a great drummer and one I have respected for many years but you just appear to come onto MY forum and stir it up when people are trying to be nice you throw it back in their face.
I have to admit when you stopped posting I was happy as I didn't have to worry about what you have gone and said now.
As this is my website and I pay for it I have decided that some of your postings cause me to many problems.
Like I said I love you're playing and your one of the best in the UK and I wish you all the best.
Why has my comment been used in this, I actually mean it Mark is a good friend, this was in direct retaliation to PRF call him names. So now if you post and people start calling you names you have to turn around and thank them? Maybe if some wannabe's didn't get so jealous of the pro's on here they wouldn't get flack every time they posted. |
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benjisonfire
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MrNoisy
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:02:05
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I can't see why mike had to ban Mark .....yea he has very one sided opinions now and again but he is a great player and if he thinks someone is crap then he speaks his mind ...... I have done the same on here many times and I know my opinions on ufo's and conspiracy theories just rub people up the wrong way .....but hey life would be dull if we conformed to one opinion.
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simedgoose
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Parkerdrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:18:10
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You're back.....
proving that a good craftsman can make any kit sound a million quid!
Fantastic dynamics, and a solo that has a beginning, middle and end. Something sorely lacking in many people's solos.
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sludge
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:25:20
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I completely agree with Mike btw, many posts seemed to be 'more look at me' than 'helpful' in the expectation of people saying you are brilliant etc. Anyone who didn't follow the line ie diversion or disagreement is met with most unpleasant and unnecessarily abusive/derisive comments; that is not how adults should behave. Ask and explain but not just being maliciously rude. He was extremely rude to Josh, without provocation, someone who always used to stick up for him for whatever reason and PRF commented upon that.
Frankly if this wants to be a place where good drummers can come and behave like spoiled brats and not worry about it because they are good and thus forgiven everything then thats more than a bit sad. IMO no-one is above the law, balls to how talented you are. Come on and be nice/ish and debate but don't act like a petulant kid.
There are plenty of good pros on here who are helpful and nice not to worry about one who is not.
It seems to be the same forgiving attitude that many on here complain about when it comes to footballers and celebs i.e. they do what they like and get away with it because they are good. I can't recall many saying "No its fine they should behave how they want, the rest of us will just ignore it as they are very talented"? |
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Parkerdrums
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:26:35
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And I thought variety was the spice of life. I get the impression that Buddy Rich was a pretty colourful/spikey individual. Am I to take it he'd be unwelcome here too?
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Parkerdrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:33:30
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And I can tell you from personal experience that Mark is a very helpful and friendly chap, despite what some of you who haven't met him might say. I often message him for advice on things 'drum' and he's always replied with sage-like tips. He's not under any obligation to do so.
Two sides to every coin methinks.
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rytenuff
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 18:40:04
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Originally posted by Parkerdrums
And I thought variety was the spice of life. I get the impression that Buddy Rich was a pretty colourful/spikey individual. Am I to take it he'd be unwelcome here too?
This comment is specific to your assertion not this thread in general.
If someone came on here and said exactly what Buddy Rich would have said over many posts in a colourful and spikey manner ( a euphamism for rude I suppose) would he be tolerated if he had no talent to speak of?
I ask as your specific mention of Buddy Rich rather than Joseph Bloggs seems to suggest that great talent excuses everything. |
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Parkerdrums
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 19:16:21
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Originally posted by rytenuff
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Originally posted by Parkerdrums
And I thought variety was the spice of life. I get the impression that Buddy Rich was a pretty colourful/spikey individual. Am I to take it he'd be unwelcome here too?
This comment is specific to your assertion not this thread in general.
If someone came on here and said exactly what Buddy Rich would have said over many posts in a colourful and spikey manner ( a euphamism for rude I suppose) would he be tolerated if he had no talent to speak of?
I ask as your specific mention of Buddy Rich rather than Joseph Bloggs seems to suggest that great talent excuses everything.
I was rather suggesting that Buddy is someone who one would have had on here regardless of whether or not you liked/agreed with him, due in part to talent, part to experience and part to the fact that you'd always get an honest response from him.
Mark also, IMHO.
And silly to expect people to get on or agree all the time. Seems a tad OTT to me and that's my final word on the matter. |
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sludge
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 19:40:04
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There is honesty in saying what you think and then there's how you put it, is there not?!
If someone at work or ones loved one said things as he did i doubt they would be appreciated or last long. One can say even very critical things in a 'nice' manner but still plainly without all the BS like' i've forgotten more than you will ever know' i mean ffs how patronising, high handed and egotistical, feck off. Yes i'm aware of some of the other things that have gone on as well so if you want to be 'mates' off forum best of luck.
If people want to put up with that cr@p in private fine but not on a public forum. |
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kruppers
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:21:32
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| I have a rule about what I say online: I never say anything I wouldnt say face to face. It's easy to call someone a **** when they are not standing in front of you and you realise they are 6'6" and getting really angry. Any idiot can be a troll. Being talented doesnt let you off the hook for being a decent human being. |
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MrNoisy
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:40:18
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Originally posted by kruppers
I have a rule about what I say online: I never say anything I wouldnt say face to face. It's easy to call someone a **** when they are not standing in front of you and you realise they are 6'6" and getting really angry. Any idiot can be a troll. Being talented doesnt let you off the hook for being a decent human being.
Trust me Mark dont give a flying feck if the guy is 10ft 6in ...he tells it as he see's it |
If you don't like my outlook on life ...Then get one of your own |
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MrNoisy
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:54:56
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We can all be nice to each other on this forum .... But I know from past posts that I have put on here that there are some people who just want to have a dig ...No matter what I post.
As for Mark ...He is a really nice guy and a great drummer ....BUT he is also a very self-opinionated drummer ....SO what is wrong with that ?
Nothing in my opinion ....He has worked hard to get where he is and he is in the TOP 10 of BRITISH players ....If he posts things on this forum that HE feels strongly about ...Then that it his opinion and if you don't agree with his opinion then so what ...does that really **** you off to the point that you want him banned ....Sorry I do not go with that.
I agree with what most of what Mark says ....BUT I did say to him that his remarks to Josh was a bit arrogant?
Anyway ...If Mike thinks it is right to bar him from the forum,then I think it is a very bad move ...After all ..Fletch is a GREAT BRITISH drummer with very strong opinions of HIMSELF (I hope your reading this Mark ha feckin Ha ) ...BUT I know he just tells it like he see's it and I for one have to agree with him 99% of the time |
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Jeffskowski
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 09:44:58
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I don't think anyone is arguing against Marks right to have an opinion Mr N. Its the little additional digs from Marks end that seem to be grating. I don't know Mark or anyone else on here but I wouldn't like to be called a 'phecker' or talked down to due to me voicing MY opinion or pointing out that he had made a mistake in a post, which, I believe is, what happened with Jamoca.
Whats more disappointing is that Mark could quite easily apologise for causing offence if that was not his intention but the fact that there has been no apology makes it seem as though it was his intention which doesn't paint a pretty picture of the man. It's playground 'bully boy' antics truth be told.
If a ban is forthcoming then so be it. It's Mr D's 'House' and we are all just guests here at the end of the day. |
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Badman_batman
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:07:54
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There are always going to be clashes of personality and some people in certain cases can be a little more sensitive than others but this is just due to the fact there is such a variety of people on this forum that things will happen and can be taken out of context
I agree with alot of the comments on here that what was said looks bad but there does not seem to any malice intended, more a strong opinion. Also when something is written in text you can not really get a feel for what that person is trying to convey,
How many arguments have i had with my partner after sending a text message to her that read badly but was never intended that way and after a conversation is finally understood.
However based on the fact that mike has banned the member it must have been a decision that needed to be taken.
Mike does let us away with a lot on this forum, other forums i have been a member of have banned people for the use of bad language and in some cases just making it look like a swear word
In the end there is no winners, mike had to make a hard decision and mark has been banned
Lose, lose IMHO |
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JKDrummerDude
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:09:54
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The problem with online forums is that it's all text. There's very little opportunity to add in the context which might make a comment humourous or sarcastic, and therefore all comments are open to interpretation from both the reader and the writer, and there's a lot of readers here - each will interpret it a bit differently. For my part, I interpreted some of the comments here and on other threads as abuse.
Mike says this guy is top five in the country, and I'm happy to accept that. I've met Mike once (I seriously doubt he'll remember though) and his word carries a lot of respect. I personally have never heard of him, and even a quick google search on his name brought back few responses. However, to my mind this is largely irrelevent. Mike's banned him, not just for comments recently, but also for previous 'misinterpretations'. It's a shame, but as comments mentioned before - it's his site, he pays for it, he's the moderator, and he's made the decision. If you don't agree with it, then don't read or post on the forum. All comments here are entirely voluntary.
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mully
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:25:16
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Originally posted by Jeffskowski
I don't think anyone is arguing against Marks right to have an opinion Mr N. Its the little additional digs from Marks end that seem to be grating. I don't know Mark or anyone else on here but I wouldn't like to be called a 'phecker' or talked down to due to me voicing MY opinion or pointing out that he had made a mistake in a post, which, I believe is, what happened with Jamoca.
Whats more disappointing is that Mark could quite easily apologise for causing offence if that was not his intention but the fact that there has been no apology makes it seem as though it was his intention which doesn't paint a pretty picture of the man.
Or maybe Mark was kicked off before he had a chance to apologise (if he had wanted to). Anyone considered THAT possibility? It was, IMO, all a simple misunderstanding over a comment and it could easily have been resolved. Either way, it doesn't really matter now.
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Jeffskowski
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 10:40:00
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Or maybe Mark was kicked off before he had a chance to apologise (if he had wanted to). Anyone considered THAT possibility? It was, IMO, all a simple misunderstanding over a comment and it could easily have been resolved. Either way, it doesn't really matter now.
Stephen
Agreed but Mark could ask someone to post a response if that were the case? I am sure he could if he really wanted to but as you say, it's all murky water under the bridge now. |
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kruppers
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United Kingdom
193 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 11:50:40
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| Well if Mr Fletcher wants to come to South London and express his opinion about me to my face, he's welcome. A&E at Kings is very good. |
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Parkerdrums
Excellent Contributer
United Kingdom
185 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2012 : 12:06:42
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Originally posted by kruppers
Well if Mr Fletcher wants to come to South London and express his opinion about me to my face, he's welcome. A&E at Kings is very good.
So Mark gets banned for disagreeing with someone, but Kruppers can make veiled threats of violence and that's ok?
Very poor indeed.
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johncc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 12:20:48
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| I was always told that if I was in a situation where I felt unhappy, or uncomfortable, to do something about it. As such, I'm off. Tarra. |
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larold
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 12:30:07
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Deep breaths all round I think...
Not wanting to stir anything but it seems the people defending Mark being banned on the strength of voicing an opinion seem to have missed this reply further up the page:
"cheeky phuktard...
someone asked about gear.
maybe i didn't mention curry or noodles, you lost interest about REAL facts.
i forgot ...you know everything!
i've forgotten more than you'll ever learn."
Having a strong, controversial opinion is fine but personal, offensive abuse is not I would say. And "I've forgotten more than you'll ever learn"? I'm sorry but does just make you come across as a bit of an ar5ehole. |
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