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benjisonfire
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Tex
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22/07/2012 : 18:23:43
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| Small boom arm attached to a crash cymbal stand. |
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Captain Bubble
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/07/2012 : 18:39:03
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| Thin shells are not a problem if there is a good wide base area and and a backing plate inside to sandwich the shell, but I dislike them as there is often cross-talk between BD and ride cymbal. |
Marcus de Mowbray
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monkeythedrummer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/07/2012 : 19:16:31
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I would not think so. Make sure the cymbal arm will be vertically above the mount - if not then it could create a large turning force that could damage the shell.
I'm thinking for doing this myself for a nesting suitcase kit I'm building, however my love of 24" rides is somewhat stopping my plans 
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Spart
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Posted - 22/07/2012 : 19:17:11
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Good Evening,
I have mounted a few, usually through the shell disappearing Premiers. I would have to agree with Capt B on both counts.
The earlier Premier ones have no manufactured backing plate so I glue a 3ply gusset on the inside of the shell as backing.
Actual play can set up a fair bit of both stress and buzz. You don't really want to go bigger than a 20" in my experience.
Hope this helps...
Spart
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gryphon
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USA
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Posted - 23/07/2012 : 01:24:57
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Thin washy cymbals will set up a moaning resonance in the bass drum, especially if the shell of the drum is thin.
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lee haydn
Advanced Contributer
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/07/2012 : 04:23:22
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| I fitted a DW bass drum mounted cymbal arm to a DW bass drum, i had a Sabian HH 22" Heavy ride on this, i would think the feedback from the drum would be zero because of the rubber backing on the plate, not that i have ever noticed any kind of overtones, i would think there would be as much as a direct shell mounted tom holder, never read any kind of article where shell mounted cymbals or toms presented any problems in the past,, |
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davidh
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/07/2012 : 07:50:38
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| I use one (a Gibraltar) on my Beverley 22" bass which has a thin shell with reinforcing hoops - the 20" ride sounds OK but an 18" crash-ride gives a resonance - but probably not much of an issue. |
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Captain Bubble
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United Kingdom
14629 Posts |
Posted - 23/07/2012 : 08:18:29
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The moaning resonance depends on dominant frequencies in the cymbal being in tune with those in the bass drum (head tension, shell vibration and enclosed air mass vibration; it's worse if the bass drum is un-muffled. With some combinations it can be very intrusive, especially for jazz or lots of ride cymbal playing. Spart's idea of a 3 ply reinforcing gusset is good, and rubber isolation can help.
On some kits, particularly older/lighter/smaller ones a BD mounted cymbal can be advantageous as it balances the weight of one rack tom: the BD on my first kit, John Grey Autocrat, was always subsiding or even toppling over to the rack tom side! |
Marcus de Mowbray
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Mcmaul
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/07/2012 : 09:45:13
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| Is it proper grammar to begin a sentence with "so"? This is an American thing. Gets on me tats. That is all. I wouldn't mount a cymbal on a bass drum, it can't be good for it!! |
Curator of all things Mahogany duroplastic and Black shadow tinged. |
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benjisonfire
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United Kingdom
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Mcmaul
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2012 : 11:13:12
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| This is England, B, not Birmingham!! |
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drummerNick
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2012 : 12:30:19
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| I have always mounted my ride cymbal on my bass drum as I really don't like the isolated modern sound that people seem to prefer these days. The drone produced by the combination of bass drum and ride is part of the ensamble sound. I have a 22 inch ride, albeit quite thin and a 24 602 on it's way. I have never had any issues with shell damage. |
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Badman_batman
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2012 : 12:52:18
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| I have my ride mounted to my bass drum on a pearl optimount stand and i dont get any resonant from the ride when i hit the bass and my mount fits inside the bass drum too |
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Casthoop
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Argentina
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Posted - 24/07/2012 : 13:20:09
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Originally posted by Mcmaul
Is it proper grammar to begin a sentence with "so"? This is an American thing. Gets on me tats. That is all. I wouldn't mount a cymbal on a bass drum, it can't be good for it!!
If I recall this set up was good enough for Buddy so its ok for me!
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FenTiger
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2012 : 20:32:51
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MacDB7
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 12:01:08
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| It'll always be entirely up to you, but I've always attached any extra booms I need to an existing stand. |
Jazz drummer
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