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Spen
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Posted - 14/08/2011 :  00:40:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm looking at buying some mics for general pub gig usage.
I already use an Audix D6 for the kick but sometimes, well nearly always, find that the toms in particular get lost once the pesky guitarist starts filling up the mids. Not after earth shattering loudness, just something to bring the toms up nearer the bass, snare and cymbals level.
Any suggestions for someone on a budget?

TrevCircleStudios
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Posted - 15/08/2011 :  13:57:15  Show Profile  Visit TrevCircleStudios's Homepage  Reply with Quote
the sennheiser e604 are small, easy to place, need no mic stands and can be picked up used on ebay from time to time for decent prices. Well worth a look.

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XPK-USA
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Posted - 17/08/2011 :  18:29:06  Show Profile  Visit XPK-USA's Homepage  Reply with Quote
all i use for small gigs and most pubs is a kick drum mic and two overheads, its all you need, overheads placed right etc..will pick up the whole kit nicely ! hate to say it but the Behringer C-4 Stereo pair of mics works awesome for me and picks up the drums real nice, there also inexpensive and sold as a pair! they have a low roll off switch etc and are nice and small, they do need phantom power but no big deal, gigve them a try, 75 bucks US and you get two mics...no need to get top of the line for pub gigs and there perfect for what your looking to do

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Spen
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Posted - 19/08/2011 :  11:14:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by XPK-USA

all i use for small gigs and most pubs is a kick drum mic and two overheads, its all you need, overheads placed right etc..will pick up the whole kit nicely ! hate to say it but the Behringer C-4 Stereo pair of mics works awesome for me and picks up the drums real nice, there also inexpensive and sold as a pair! they have a low roll off switch etc and are nice and small, they do need phantom power but no big deal, gigve them a try, 75 bucks US and you get two mics...no need to get top of the line for pub gigs and there perfect for what your looking to do



I had thought about overheads. My only concern was that they'd pick up all the highs so all you'd get through the pa was even more cymbals and snare?
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Twotoms
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Posted - 24/08/2011 :  21:59:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with the above. If it's a RRRROCK! gig, then tom mics will be more useful than OH mics which will pick up all the spill from the guitar and bass cabs too. The HF from the cymbals, which I assume will be played FF (!) always seem to pick up well enough on the vocal mics or the tom mics themselves. ( or come across acoustically, too )

You can never get that spine tingling punch to the toms with overheads with all that other racket going on.
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TrevCircleStudios
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Posted - 25/08/2011 :  21:39:09  Show Profile  Visit TrevCircleStudios's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Twotoms

I agree with the above. If it's a RRRROCK! gig, then tom mics will be more useful than OH mics which will pick up all the spill from the guitar and bass cabs too. The HF from the cymbals, which I assume will be played FF (!) always seem to pick up well enough on the vocal mics or the tom mics themselves. ( or come across acoustically, too )

You can never get that spine tingling punch to the toms with overheads with all that other racket going on.



Agree entirely with this. I'd mic snare, toms and kick before oh's.

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Spen
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Posted - 25/08/2011 :  22:51:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cheers chappies, I think I'll have a look out for some ebay bargains.
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dibs
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Posted - 06/11/2011 :  23:58:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I use one mic clipped to my bass drum hoop (and have the bass drum mic'ed at the reso head). I've had some excellent feedback from other drummers who can't believe what a good balance of snare and toms this method delivers. I started out using a normal mic but have since switched to a sennheiser e604.

You can see the idea here, albeit with the old mic in place which was getting in the way of cross sticking etc.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dibs13/IMG00474-20110709-2048.jpg

I can't take credit for it - that belongs to a local pro drummer who has been around the block enough times to want to minimise his set up but get maximum results. It's a beautifully simple idea, very low cost, and requires very little set up or tweaking time.

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christianmurphy
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Posted - 07/11/2011 :  12:08:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.thomann.de/gb/t-bone_cd_55.htm

Cheap chinese knock off version of an E604, and with a little bit of EQ sounds like it's worth a fair bit more than it is!

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christianmurphy
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Posted - 07/11/2011 :  12:18:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Although on that note I don't rate the clips too much. They'll work but I'd definitely look into replacing them with something more reliable.

http://www.htfr.com/p/396479/audio_technica_at8665_drum_microphone_clamp

Not a bad alternative at all.

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Soporif
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Posted - 07/11/2011 :  13:22:42  Show Profile  Visit Soporif's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dibs

I use one mic clipped to my bass drum hoop (and have the bass drum mic'ed at the reso head). I've had some excellent feedback from other drummers who can't believe what a good balance of snare and toms this method delivers. I started out using a normal mic but have since switched to a sennheiser e604.

You can see the idea here, albeit with the old mic in place which was getting in the way of cross sticking etc.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dibs13/IMG00474-20110709-2048.jpg

I can't take credit for it - that belongs to a local pro drummer who has been around the block enough times to want to minimise his set up but get maximum results. It's a beautifully simple idea, very low cost, and requires very little set up or tweaking time.




I applaud the idea but I'm thinking it might look a bit dodgy out front......

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victimunknown
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Posted - 10/01/2012 :  22:15:30  Show Profile  Visit victimunknown's Homepage  Reply with Quote
scour ebay for some AKG C418 clip on mics, they're discontinued now from AKG but are pretty awesome... sound good, very small and durable!

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rockdrummerzero
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Posted - 21/01/2012 :  19:43:03  Show Profile  Visit rockdrummerzero's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Stick with Audix, D2/D4 are very good, they have a similar 'smile' response curve ( like the D6 ) but in 'tom range' which means little tweaking for huge tom sound, excellent. Prefer them to my 421's actually, and can be got at good money, at the moment.

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alanharvey
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Posted - 29/01/2012 :  20:01:11  Show Profile  Visit alanharvey's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by victimunknown

scour ebay for some AKG C418 clip on mics, they're discontinued now from AKG but are pretty awesome... sound good, very small and durable!



Just dont clout 'em. They fly apart.

I've had some 408's for 17 years (JEEZ!) and a 418 for about 10. If you can find all the bits, can solder and use superglue you can usually repair 'em!

Al

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